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  • cory
    Chieftain
    • Jun 2012
    • 2987

    According Marine Corps Times - Upgrading M16A4

    A 'new' service rifle


    Current M16A4 rifles and M4 carbines could get a significant overhaul with mostly inexpensive components already available to consumers. The upgrades would drastically improve accuracy and function without incurring the expense of procuring an new rifle.

    Those updates could include a free-floating barrel, rifle compensators, new reticles for the Rifle Combat Optic, more ambidextrous controls and a new trigger group. With significant advancements in rifle technology for the civilian shooting market over the past two decades, those are all features commonly seen on competition rifles and those carried by elite operators.

    It's a novel and mostly inexpensive approach to improve the tried-and-true inventory of standard service rifles even as defense budgets continue to shrink and the service's procurement and sustainment programs compete for money. Small arms have often taken a back seat in recent years to big-ticket platforms like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Amphibious Assault Vehicle modernization and the procurement of the next generation ship-to-shore troop transport, the Amphibious Combat Vehicle 1.1.

    In 2013, as the military's manpower drawdown got underway and the services scrambled to realign budgets and personnel, Brig. Gen. William Mullen, head of the Corps' Capabilities Development Directorate, said small arms were sufficient — even if not ideal. "The weapons we have right now are working pretty good," he said. "They aren't perfect. You talk to Marines and get 20 different opinions about our weapons. But they are doing the job."

    But the Corps' top gunners have an eye toward giving current rifles a makeover that would make them shoot like a next-generation weapon. Over the next seven to eight months they will study proposed upgrades by surveying the commercial market, testing products on the range and estimating potential costs before presenting a recommendation at the next marksmanship symposium. The symposium's working groups will make final recommendations based on research now underway and hand those to the Corps' top general, Commandant Joseph Dunford, for a final decision — a process that can take several more months.

    Comps. Among the simplest potential upgrades is the addition of a compensator, or "comp" on the rifles' muzzles in place of the decades-old birdcage flash suppressor.

    "The best shooters in the world have comps. Why?" said Chief Warrant Officer 3 Tom Layou, the battalion gunner at WTB Quantico. "It is hardest to hit multiple and moving targets and compensators manage that recoil."

    While flash suppressors reduce a rifle's visual signature as shots are fired to help conceal the exact location of a shooter on the battlefield, compensators are designed to improve a firearm's handling. There are some hybrid devices on the market, but most focus on either reducing visual signature or managing recoil, which means officials must weigh the tradeoffs between handling and concealment. It should be noted, however, that flash suppressors do not entirely cloak a Marine's position, especially at night. Both flash suppressors and comps work by altering how combustion gasses from the propellant that drives a bullet through the barrel and then escape the muzzle. A flash suppressor disperses burning gasses to reduce the intensity and brightness with which they combust, while a compensator redirects gasses to reduce muzzle flip and counteract felt recoil.

    For a Marine, a compensator would allow for faster follow-on shots since reduced recoil means each shot would lessen the disturbance to sight alignment and sight picture. That helps when several shots are needed in quick succession to strike moving targets or put down an enemy who continues to fight after being struck by the first round.

    There are downsides, however.

    "The positive is great shooting. The negative is the noise, especially inside," Layou said.

    Because compensators typically direct a large amount of expended gas rearward and to the sides, there is a threat that the intense noise and overpressure will be hard for Marines to the left and right of a shooter to tolerate. Those effects are magnified indoors, which means they would be especially unpleasant and potentially injurious when clearing a building or compound.

    Barrels. The adoption of a barrel that would increase accuracy is another significant but more expensive upgrade under consideration. Greater accuracy could be achieved several ways including the use of a heavier barrel, according to Layou. But the most obvious and common way to achieve greater accuracy is the use of a free-floating barrel like those used by most hunters and competitive shooters.

    Standard-issue M16A4s and M4s use hand guards and rail systems that are directly connected to the barrel. As a result, any force exerted on an accessory like a rifle sling used to achieve greater stability also exerts force on the barrel. That can ever so slightly bend or pull the barrel off center relative to zeroed optics. The movement can translate into big variances over distance. The longer the shot, the further the external pressure exerted on the barrel will throw it.

    A free floating barrel is achieved by using a hand guard and rail system that does not contact the barrel at any point. So any force exerted on a sling or other rifle-mounted accessory attached to the rail system does not translate to the barrel which contacts the rifle at only one point – the upper receiver. That ensures the barrel and optics which are also mounted to the upper receiver point in precisely the same direction.

    "Free floating barrels have been seen in the competition world since the '90s," said Layou. "In combat you are not able to apply the same sling tension every time. You are shooting in different positions at different targets. So it's not a training solution, it is a material solution needed to reduce barrel flex."

    If the need for more accurate barrels is approved in October after weighing factors to include cost, experts will write a requirement to improve accuracy. But it would be left to Marine Corps Systems Command to determine how to meet those specific requirements, which could also include the use of a heavier barrel, said Parker.

    A free floating barrel could improve the M16A4 from a 4.5 minute-of-impact rifle to a 2 MOI rifle, putting it on par with the M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle, which uses a free floating barrel, said Chief Warrant Officer 5 Vince Pope, the Marine gunner who directs the Marksmanship Doctrine and Programs Management Section at Quantico. That means the rifle will go from being accurate within a tolerance of 4.5 inches from its point of aim at 100 yards to just 2 inches. When engaging a target at an M16A4's maximum effective point target range, which is nearly 660 yards, according to Colt Defense, that 4.5 inches with the current barrel compared to 2 inches with a free floating barrel translates into nearly 30 inches compared to about 13. That can be the difference between still hitting an enemy in the torso and hitting him in the thighs or knees.

    Optics. To help Marines better hit their target, experts at WTB Quantico are also deliberating an improved Rifle Combat Optic that would feature a reticle like that seen in the Squad Day Optic currently issued for use on the IAR.

    Both are manufactured by Trijicon, but use a slightly different pattern. The RCO features a chevron-shaped reticle that covers the target with the point of impact at its apex. It works fine, said Parker, but the SDO reticle works better.

    The SDO uses a semi-circle with a dot at its center. It is more intuitive for the human eye and doesn't obscure the target nearly as much, Pope said. At 300 or more yards, the chevron reticle nearly entirely covers a torso-sized target while the SDO reticle encircles it so a Marine can still see what he is hitting.

    Because the reticle is already in use, it would be easy and inexpensive to swap them if it is done as RCOs are shipped back to Trijicon for routine depot-level maintenance, according to the leadership at WTB Quantico. That would require some minor modification of current contracts with Trijicon, however.
    "Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin
  • cory
    Chieftain
    • Jun 2012
    • 2987

    #2
    Triggers. The M16A4's and M4's current triggers will also be reviewed.

    "Rule number one in marksmanship," said Layou, "is stay consistent."

    Consistency offers accuracy from shot to shot. But the service's current trigger violates that cardinal rule with three distinct trigger pulls felt on a rotating basis. In other words, it takes a different amount of force to break the trigger the first, second and third time it is pulled. The fourth trigger pull is again, like the first. That is the direct result of the rifle's select-fire capability that allows it to be set on safe, semi-automatic, or three-round-burst.

    This could potentially be one of the more expensive upgrades simply because it would require the most research and development. "No engineer has cracked the code," Layou said. That means the service would have to draft a requirement and then turn to industry to develop a new trigger group.

    The other alternative Layou said, is to reconsider the three-round burst capability. Is it needed? Might a precision semi-automatic trigger with a smooth, consistent trigger pull be a better fit? Those are questions that will be answered in the year ahead.

    Southpaws. The last upgrade being considered is retrofitting rifles for left-handed Marines. About 10 percent of Marines are left handed, said Parker. Those Marines already enjoy ambidextrous magazine releases and select-fire levers, but not charging handles or bolt catch releases. As a result, southpaws must manipulate their weapons more to perform basic functions. That costs precious moments in battle.

    Ambidextrous charging handles and bolt catch releases are commonly available on the civilian market for less than $100 and less than $30, respectively. So while the change would only affect roughly 10 percent of Marines, it would be one of the easiest and cheapest upgrades.

    Better ammo

    The best rifle in the world is little more than an expensive club without the ammunition to match. So experts at WTB Quantico are working toward adopting the AB49 Special Operations Science and Technology 5.56mm cartridge as the service's standard round.

    SOST rounds, adopted for use by Marines in the war zone beginning in 2010, provide better ballistics than standard A059 5.56 ball ammunition as the bullets travel from muzzle to target and have more devastating effects once they impact the enemy.

    When striking a person, a SOST round leaves a larger primary wound cavity, meaning enemy fighters are likely to bleed out faster. Short of a direct hit to the central nervous system, that is the only reliable method of incapacitation, Layou said.

    The plan is to continue using SOST rounds for deployed units, while using old ball ammunition exclusively for training and putting a halt to future purchases, said Maj. Devin Blowes, WTB Quantico's operations officer. Under that plan, the service would exhaust all current inventory of old ball ammunition within seven to 10 years. And at that point, all new purchases would be for SOST rounds, which would then be used for training and combat.

    The service needs congressional approval to make the change, but Parker is optimistic, saying Congress has given favorable consideration to past ammunition requests. Given that SOST rounds provide better performance without additional cost, he doesn't foresee resistance from lawmakers.

    Hollow-points. For pistols, the service will investigate the potential adoption of hollow-point rounds. Personnel at WTB Quantico recently visited the FBI's ballistic lab, also aboard Quantico, where they saw demonstrations of ball and hollow-point ammunition. Ball pistol ammunition, like that now carried by Marines into combat, failed to expand after hitting ballistic gel meant to replicate the human body. That means the wound inflicted is less likely to be lethal than hollow points, which expandand leave significant primary wound channels that result in rapid blood loss.

    The adoption of better pistol rounds becomes increasingly important as Marines look to a future where they will be more likely to operate in highly urbanized littoral areas. Because of confined spaces in small alleys, rooms and halls, Marines could find themselves relying on pistols more than ever, said Layou.

    Holster study

    Top pistol experts will also consider new authorized ways to wear the Marine Corps' SERPA Level 2 Tactical Holster, adopted in 2011 and produced by Blackhawk.

    One appeal of the holster is its modular design that allows it to be quickly moved from one mounting bracket to another on a belt, drop-leg holster or a MOLLE-attached bracket. But for safety reasons, it is authorized only for wear on the hip or thigh.

    Despite that, some Marines in the war zone do wear holstered pistols on their chest because it is more convenient for those who operate in vehicles.

    It can be difficult to access a pistol on your hip when in the confines of a vehicle. In some cases a Marine may not actually fit into a blast seat while wearing a hip holster, said Capt. Brian Basil, the headquarters company commander and marksmanship range and facility campaign plan manager at WTB Quantico.

    While some specialized units, including Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, may also wear chest-mounted holsters, they are not generally authorized for wear in that location because drawing from the chest is similar to a "cross-draw," in which one is likely to flag their own arm and fellow Marines down the firing line with the muzzle of their weapon. That poses significant safety challenges during live-fire training, experts agreed.

    There is no doctrine or institutional training on wearing the holster that way and it is not authorized, Pope emphasized, so it must be studied carefully. But he recognized that Marines are wearing it that way and that is why WTB Quantico intends to consider it under its "train as you fight" philosophy.
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    • cory
      Chieftain
      • Jun 2012
      • 2987

      #3
      Where do I begin with the problems here. Compensators, heavier barrels as upgrades?!?!?!?! "At 300 or more yards, the chevron reticle nearly entirely covers a torso-sized target"??? At 300 yards you shouldn't be using the chevron, but the cross hair. Training! I was issued an ACOG in '06, as a PFC, with zero additional training. I estimate I used the optic to 10% of it's capability because of my ignorance or lack of training.

      This kind of program is exactly why I went into Engineering. I want to work improving the lethality/survivability/mobility of my grunts! I want to work on this program!!!!!!

      What I want to know is who is the company supporting this project with engineers/consultants and how do I get on board???
      Last edited by cory; 02-18-2015, 10:10 PM. Reason: PFC
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      • Michael
        Warrior
        • Jan 2012
        • 353

        #4
        This program has been in the works for several years in parts of the Marine Corps (0306 Gunner community, Weapons Training Bn at Quantico and Lejeune, and some past/present instructors of Infantry Officer Course). Some have been waging a quasi-insurgency (or so I had heard) against the procurement system by implementing some of these upgrades via Urgent Needs Statements while preparing for deployment, then writing extensive AARs detailing success of upgrades.

        As for who to talk to...I have no idea, but would recommend trying to get in touch with one of the Gunners mentioned in the article and find out who is honchoing the program.
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        • bwaites
          Moderator
          • Mar 2011
          • 4445

          #5
          It would interesting to do a comparison of 16" rifle barrels and see at what point the extra mass becomes a liability. With 14.5 or 16 inch barrels, I bet 8-12 ounces buys a lot more stiffness and heat sink capability. Comps get better an better, but I think the real winner would be a lightweight 4-6" suppressor that would be good for 2-3000 rounds and then disposable. (Think about how that technology would bring the price of suppressors down!)

          There is plenty of aftermarket stuff that would make the rifle easier to shoot and would be really cost effective at lengthening he rifle life.

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          • LRRPF52
            Super Moderator
            • Sep 2014
            • 8612

            #6
            The problems with the 3-rd burst abortion have been known from the start. I lost track of how many times I've beat that horse to death.

            Free-floating and an ALG-type trigger make the most sense out of the whole program.

            The chevron reticle argument is silly for the reasons you state. Somebody wants to spend some money.

            They should look at Cerakote for coatings, or some type of surface deposition with integrated corrosion elimination properties.

            They should also look at no longer than 16" barrels, increase the BC on the SOST, and most importantly, re-evaluate the marksmanship training programs. With more low-intensity conflicts on the horizon, small arms fire from well-trained Infantrymen is going to continue to play a more important role when semi-permissive environments don't allow collateral damage. North Africa is a prime example of that.
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            • Michael
              Warrior
              • Jan 2012
              • 353

              #7
              Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
              ...most importantly, re-evaluate the marksmanship training programs. With more low-intensity conflicts on the horizon, small arms fire from well-trained Infantrymen is going to continue to play a more important role when semi-permissive environments don't allow collateral damage. North Africa is a prime example of that.
              Yup.
              I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
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              • cory
                Chieftain
                • Jun 2012
                • 2987

                #8
                Originally posted by bwaites View Post
                It would interesting to do a comparison of 16" rifle barrels and see at what point the extra mass becomes a liability. With 14.5 or 16 inch barrels, I bet 8-12 ounces buys a lot more stiffness and heat sink capability. Comps get better an better, but I think the real winner would be a lightweight 4-6" suppressor that would be good for 2-3000 rounds and then disposable. (Think about how that technology would bring the price of suppressors down!)

                There is plenty of aftermarket stuff that would make the rifle easier to shoot and would be really cost effective at lengthening he rifle life.
                Onces equals pounds, pounds equals pain. IMHO the barrels should all be shortened to 12.5" - 2", then impose higher tolerances on the manufacturing of the barrels. At that length you'd have to add significant mass to increase stiffness enough to gain much, I would think. In the public sector a company isn't going to be a ble to sell a barrel that doesn't get at least sub 2 MOA, unless they're selling it dirt cheap.

                I'll add the DMR accuracy issue shouldn't be included here. Get them an 18" SS Nitide and Fluted barrel. The price for such a thing would be a drop in the bucket with how miniscule the number of barrels purchased would be. A DMR shouldn't be issued a standard issued rifle, you want to have something more capable or what's the point of having a DMR.

                I couldn't imagine the cons of clearing a room with a compensator would ever not out weigh the "increase in accuracy" a compensator would give. Especially something as low recoil as the 5.56. The low mass suppressor is a great idea IMHO!

                Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
                The problems with the 3-rd burst abortion have been known from the start. I lost track of how many times I've beat that horse to death.

                Free-floating and an ALG-type trigger make the most sense out of the whole program.

                The chevron reticle argument is silly for the reasons you state. Somebody wants to spend some money.

                They should look at Cerakote for coatings, or some type of surface deposition with integrated corrosion elimination properties.

                They should also look at no longer than 16" barrels, increase the BC on the SOST, and most importantly, re-evaluate the marksmanship training programs. With more low-intensity conflicts on the horizon, small arms fire from well-trained Infantrymen is going to continue to play a more important role when semi-permissive environments don't allow collateral damage. North Africa is a prime example of that.
                I can't believe doing away with the 3 rd burst isn't a given.

                I was thinking the same thing with the ALG triggers. They were already going to free float barrels when I was issued an ACOG. That might have been a battalion thing and now they want to push it service wide.

                I was never given the training to take advantage of the current TA31 Reticle, that may have changed in the last decade, but the new one is far more complicated and is an absolutely worthless upgrade without the proper training. Even then for the normal Grunt I couldn't imagine them utilizing it enough to justify the upgrade. I think you hit the nail on the head, someone is trying to make some money.

                most importantly, re-evaluate the marksmanship training programs. With more low-intensity conflicts on the horizon, small arms fire from well-trained Infantrymen is going to continue to play a more important role when semi-permissive environments don't allow collateral damage. North Africa is a prime example of that.
                Another +1 on this.
                Last edited by cory; 02-18-2015, 10:09 PM.
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                • usmc1371
                  Warrior
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 335

                  #9
                  There has been a vast improvement is firearms technology since I left the Marines. I would have loved to have a more accurate rifle when I was in. Like it was stated small arms takes a back seat to aircraft. Every Marine is a rifleman.

                  Semper fi.

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                  • Trooper
                    Unwashed
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 21

                    #10
                    What about upgrading to a better caliber like 6.5mm?

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                    • SHORT-N-SASSY
                      Warrior
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 629

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Trooper View Post
                      What about upgrading to a better caliber like 6.5mm?
                      Indeed, Trooper,

                      AN ARMY OUTGUNNED: Physics Demands A New Basic Combat Weapon, By Joseph P. Avery, Ph.D (http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/Military...831_art004.pdf).

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                      • LR1955
                        Super Moderator
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 3357

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SHORT-N-SASSY View Post
                        Indeed, Trooper,

                        AN ARMY OUTGUNNED: Physics Demands A New Basic Combat Weapon, By Joseph P. Avery, Ph.D (http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/Military...831_art004.pdf).
                        Guys:

                        I read it. Nothing I haven't heard before. Most dating back to the late 1970's. I bet that guys here who were in when the M-16 was introduced have heard the same things as well.

                        I would take a M-4 with an M-68 over a 50's technology AK 47 firing 40's technology ammo under any condition.

                        Again, this author compares match grade ammo to ball ammo. Simply ignoring the cost and how many tens of thousands of rounds of it will be blown through shot up E-Sils at ten yards every year doing CQM. Or simply shot into a berm to 'get rid of it' at the end of a FY.

                        Have heard all the arguments about more marksmanship training, without a thought about such things as range availability, training cycles, or the numerous other things even an Infantryman is expected to know and practice.

                        One thing you won't get out of these guys is a realistic set of conditions and a rational standard of performance for each condition.

                        The second thing they won't contend with is something called range availability, training time, and Class V requirements.

                        I have a solution for the Rifleman though. C Mags of straight tracer and a M-4 with automatic capability and a dot sight. Problem solved at less expense and ranges would really be fun for a change. Especially putting out the fires. We used to call this the 'dirty environment' and it used to be seen as realistic training!

                        LR55

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                        • SHORT-N-SASSY
                          Warrior
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 629

                          #13
                          "One of the schools of thought that has gained some ground within the Army itself is the idea of a 'general purpose round', a proposal to replace the current two-caliber system of 5.56mm and7.62mm ammunition with a single round, usually somewhere in-between those two calibers in size and weight.

                          "It's a theory I am highly critical of, but that does not mean it is without merit. The paradigm has definite benefits, and should be investigated even if there is some certainty that, at the moment, it's not practical or desirable to implement such a scheme. So it's right that the Army Marksmanship Unit has endeavored to produce and test a round that could fulfill such a role, called the .264 USA."
                          --- (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...usamu-264-usa/).

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                          • lwminton
                            Warrior
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 143

                            #14
                            " Those effects are magnified indoors, which means they would be especially unpleasant and potentially injurious when clearing a building or compound."
                            I would think the accuracy benefits would not be needed at close range indoors which suggests that a compensator with a rotating sleeve which could close it off would be worth experimenting with. Twist closed, twist again open.
                            Is that possible?
                            Last edited by lwminton; 02-22-2015, 02:26 PM.

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                            • LR1955
                              Super Moderator
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 3357

                              #15
                              Originally posted by lwminton View Post
                              " Those effects are magnified indoors, which means they would be especially unpleasant and potentially injurious when clearing a building or compound."
                              I would think the accuracy benefits would not be needed at close range indoors which suggests that a compensator with a rotating sleeve which could close it off would be worth experimenting with. Twist closed, twist again open.
                              Is that possible?
                              Yes it certainly is possible.

                              We had a member (Warped) who manufactured two types of compensators. One design you would twist and a sleeve covered the ports.

                              I have one and it works. Yes, you do have a zero change but not that much.

                              I would not want to be near a comp in an enclosed area.

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