Vortex Viper PST mounting - LaRue or Burris?

[rushmc]

I have that scope on my AA grendel riflel
To get the correct eye reliefe this scope does hang over the charging handle but there are options for that

I went with the American Defense mount
Seems very solid
For what it is worth

http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/195/

[warped]

Damn, you must have been reading my mind Marc, I could not remember which one was on your rifle, it was really well built.

I see they do have a cantilevered model as well.

[rushmc]

they have a good mix. I emailed them with the rifle and optic specs and they got back to me in less than an hour with a recomendation.

[Mutt]

I think Larue is just great. But ...... WAY overpriced.

I've used Burris and have several friends that use Burris. If you are on a limited income, you can't really go wrong with the burris mounts. The price is great. The only down side is that it's made in China, but I challenged you to find something these days that isn't.

[LRRPF52]

I think Larue is just great. But ...... WAY overpriced.

I've used Burris and have several friends that use Burris. If you are on a limited income, you can't really go wrong with the burris mounts. The price is great. The only down side is that it's made in China, but I challenged you to find something these days that isn't.

We have been involved in an economic war with the PRC since 1968, when their "Total War" plan was launched. Since then, Nixon/Henry Kissenger opened them up to trade with us, and it's been downhill ever since. For a while, Chinese products were dirt cheap, but they have risen to what American-made prices were maybe a decade ago, and are still rising. I do my best to spend my economic bullets (dollars) on US Made products when I can. Granted, several US companies have moved their entire facilities to the coasts of China, and still have the same QC, but with dirt-paid Chinese workers.

The American Defense QD mounts can be had for $135, and the LaRue mounts with VFZ can be had for $145 I think. LaRue has a superior mounting and tension system for the rail, as well as recoil lugs that fit tightly in an M1913 rail slot. Most others do not, and they rely on side-to-side clamping force, versus the vertical torsion of the LaRue mounts.

If you want to pay Chinese prices for Israeli-designed products, get the CAA scope mount for $20. It is built using the same components and metal as the Burris, probably in the same factory...

[txgunner00]

Burris made in communist China, LaRue made in Texas. Any questions?

They are made less than 10 minutes from my house. I have 3.

Larue is also a HUGE supporter of our local shooting sports and the industry as a whole. He paid for the construction of the tactical bays at Best of the West out of his own pocket.

[BjornF16]

We have been involved in an economic war with the PRC since 1968,

Add Information war as well (military/industrial espionage; web based attacks). That makes 2 out of 4 in the D.I.M.E. influence model (diplomatic, information, military, economic). I took a course at Leavenworth on the PRC...they are not our friends...I don't particularly care to fund their military build up.

[txgunner00]

Bjorn,

I personally like the LT-112, with 20 MOA built into it. I have yet to need the goose neck feature in any of the LT mounts I have previously bought, so the 112 is my go-to mount now.

LRRPF52

+1 The 20 MOA is a must for most scopes if you intend to dial to extended ranges with the Grendel. I would run out of adjustment at about 800 yds with the straight mount I had at first.

[BjornF16]

So far I'm very happy with the -104 and -158. LaRue also gives military discounts. Don't think I'll be shooting at 800 (other than maybe for fun...)

[Whelenon]

I know this is a little off subject but since were talking about where things are made, where are Vortex Scopes made?

[bwaites]

I know this is a little off subject but since were talking about where things are made, where are Vortex Scopes made?

U.S. company, service is here in the States. Parts/glass are Japanese, assembly is in the Philippines currently, though as I understand it the assembly may be moved here eventually.

Its one of my major concerns. We have NO scope manufacturer using U.S. sourced glass that I can find. All of them use glass sourced from outside the country, and some use parts, gears, etc. from outside the country as well.

Some U.S. companies use German/Austrian/Eastern European glass, most use Japanese glass. Some use Chinese glass.

[LRRPF52]

Due to anti-business policies, very few things are made in the US anymore, however...the weapons industry seems to buck that rule since the US has the most vibrant firearms, ammunition, and accessories manufacturing base in the world, hands-down. You would think that we would have several major optics companies making their products here, but they have mostly relocated to Japan, China, and the Philippines. China is clearly the badguy of that bunch, since they have Communist slave labor, while using at least 30% of their revenue for military upgrades to exert more dominance in the Pacific rim.

Many businesses have proclaimed that they can't afford to manufacture in the US anymore. We are now reaching the phase where it is clear that you can't afford NOT to...

I hope optics companies take notice and move shop to hosptiable States with great employee bases, technical expertise, and a business-friendly environment. Unfortunately, there aren't many of those left.

[bwaites]

There was a time when we made good glass here, perhaps not up to German standards, but very good. I don't think we have any lensmakers left of any note, for any type of photo, telescope, or similar lenses.

Is anyone aware of any?

We can still make gears and such, although that capacity is shrinking rapidly.

[LRRPF52]

There have to be at least some lens-makers for the defense industry, unless they've exempted that component field from Berry Amendment compliance. Think about the aerospace grade optics necessary for defense and NASA.

[bwaites]

Meade Instruments--Maybe.

Celestron--Doubtful

Collins ElectroOptics--Probably, but only makes eyepieces from my research.

No one that I can find makes riflescope glass.