Lilja SBR, SLR, Spike's Tactical Interest?

[cory]

I posted this on the thread for the group buy, but I feel like it's been overlooked.

I need to get a count of who's interested. And I need that count to be over 20 for all companies involved to get the discounts. I need a good count over 20 to get the final price. Then once I post the order form and get final orders/deposits I can get a firm shipping price to evening distribute the shipping.

All needed information is in the first post of this thread.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?8831-Lilja-Short-Barrel...-New-Poll

If you're interested in this group buy, please download the sheet, fill out the excel sheet at the link and email it to me at me.cory.m.clark@gmail.com (The email is correct, please copy and paste)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vp66x3vvs9qgf1z/Feel%20for%20Interest.xlsx

I've only received 4 responses at this time.


If you're not interested in the barrel I can get you the same discount on the Spikes Tactical. The SLR I can get you a discount, but not the same discount as those who are buying barrels.

[cory]

I'm buying the SLR stuff, Friday. Everybody that has request anything SLR will get it at cost. I'll be selling everything else first come, first serve.

[Drift]

It's time to ask you guys who are going to buy the short barrels. What are you gonna use them for? Tactical? Can? Hunting? Pistol?

[cory]

SBR Home Defense/Hunting in the thick/Truck Gun

[montana]

Full auto with suppressor to match my suppressed 5.56 upper. I may make a registered semi lower and use it as a short pack rifle.

[am4966]

SBR, Hunting, Suppressed and Home Defense(if I need that much fire power).

[Drift]

I see. I'm late to the party; and just starting to do my research on sbrs. I have been in the Grendel Horde for many years with Grendels in bolt and AR actions. I'm interested in a sbr for home defense, to carry while out of town in hotels and primerly for hunting from a tree stand. My first impression is that the key to a sbr is to put a can on the front (cause it's LOUD). This kinda makes a sbr just as long as a standared barrel-and also generate lots of tax revenue to the ATF. .. Is that kinda true? I guess I'm asking you guys to make the case for a non full auto Grendel for hunting and defensive situations. and then tell me why I need an AR barrel not a bolt action..for hunting... thanks

[montana]

I see. I'm late to the party; and just starting to do my research on sbrs. I have been in the Grendel Horde for many years with Grendels in bolt and AR actions. I'm interested in a sbr for home defense, to carry while out of town in hotels and primerly for hunting from a tree stand. My first impression is that the key to a sbr is to put a can on the front (cause it's LOUD). This kinda makes a sbr just as long as a standared barrel-and also generate lots of tax revenue to the ATF. .. Is that kinda true? I guess I'm asking you guys to make the case for a non full auto Grendel for hunting and defensive situations. and then tell me why I need an AR barrel not a bolt action..for hunting... thanks

If you add a suppressor you may have about the same length as a standard barrel but not needing hearing protection is a great convenience. I never understood the advantages using a suppressor until I obtained one. Suppressors should not be restricted but encouraged since it can save ones hearing. If you have an AR for self defense and need to shoot it in a confined space I guarantee you will have severe hearing damage. As far as needing an AR over a bolt action that becomes a personal preference with the pros and cons with each firearm. We are not able to hunt with suppressors in Montana at this time but were working on it.

[cory]

Montana we just got it approved here in Alabama. Just earlier this year in fact. It was a small campaign that started on arfcomm. The commission was very open minded to it, fortunately.

Drift people talk about NEEDING a suppressor on sbr when firing in enclosed spaces (i.e. your home). When firing inside your house the shockwave from the blast will bounce off the walls. A lot of that pressure will come back your way, leading to hearing damage. This is as opposed to firing outdoors where the pressure has plenty of room to equalize. Yet, you'll still get hearing damage without protection.

Now take this and apply it to a short barreled rifle where the muzzle is closer to your face and there will be higher pressures from the muzzle blasts. This magnifies the hearing damage by an order of magnitude.

Summary. For use in a tree stand a suppressor really isn't anymore needed than with a 16" barrel. For use as a home defense weapon, a suppressor is highly recommended. While not having a suppressor would leave you with hearing damage, that'll be the least of your worries if you ever find yourself pulling the trigger in that situation.

Hope that helps.

[am4966]

I for one can't wait to take and shoot it at the range and hunting. If you don't want a silencer you can get some ear plugs to pop in just before you shoot. You can get a silencer in the 500.00 range or maybe less for use indoors or hunting if you can use it. You can also buy a silencer on a payment plan from capital armory over 4 months thats easier on the wallet

Get a Sig Brace to make it a pistol but you can shoulder it that's one less tax stamp. I dint think I've heard PDF shrine regretting going the sbr route if they took the plunge

[PigOPs]

I see. I'm late to the party; and just starting to do my research on sbrs. I have been in the Grendel Horde for many years with Grendels in bolt and AR actions. I'm interested in a sbr for home defense, to carry while out of town in hotels and primerly for hunting from a tree stand. My first impression is that the key to a sbr is to put a can on the front (cause it's LOUD). This kinda makes a sbr just as long as a standared barrel-and also generate lots of tax revenue to the ATF. .. Is that kinda true? I guess I'm asking you guys to make the case for a non full auto Grendel for hunting and defensive situations. and then tell me why I need an AR barrel not a bolt action..for hunting... thanks

For me, my first venture into rifles (aside from .22s and a lever action 30-30) was an AR15. I like everything about them. I hunt with them because a) I feel comfortable with them and b) I hunt management land and often try to kill more than one at a time. Also, hogs are a real problem in TX and I like to get off as many shots as possible (5 in a field is the most I have killed so far, I'm hoping my suppressor will help with that).

[Drift]

OK. My last question is...(as I'm late getting started on the short barrel idea)." I believe that I can get these short barrels l built on a AR pistol lower and then at a later date I can get the tax stamp and make it into a SBR using all the same gear + butstock (just never turn it into a pistol again) Is that correct? "

[cory]

Correct. However, I'm not sure what it is that'd legally prevent you from putting a pistol buffer tube on it once you have the sbr tax stamp.

[am4966]

Once a pistol can go to rifle then pistol again. Once a rifle always a rifle can't be a pistol.

If you get a tax stamp you don't need to do pistol again since you can put different uppers on it.

[Adam Lilja]

Here's a little barrel porn for you guys. A 9" .300 BLK w/ spirals I prototyped today Weighs .95 lbs.