Conceiled carry holders stop shooter in Wallmart

[stanc]

But stanc 242 homicides in a city that has the tight gun control laws so far this year, do you not think that is a story...

That's different than what you said in your first post. Sure, I think the large number of murders despite the gun control laws would be a story with nationwide relevance.

...or does it not fit your narrative as an anti gunner just like the main press.

I'm not anti-gun.

[brian y]

That's different than what you said in your first post. Sure, I think the large number of murders despite the gun control laws would be a story with nationwide relevance

So you agree it is a big story but the mindless idiots at cnn msm etc still will still not cover it, As for the comment about you being anti gun with the way you post and what you post that is how you come across.

[stanc]

So you agree it is a big story but the mindless idiots at cnn msm etc still will still not cover it,

No, I do not agree that it's a big story.

[brian y]

No, I do not agree that it's a big story.

LOL 242 homicides in the socialist city of Chicago run by idiots for the past 84 years and you do not think it is a big story LOL, You had a little credibility left but that has now gone as you show your true colour's, You are just like those that have run Chicago for the past 84 years.

[stanc]

LOL 242 homicides in the socialist city of Chicago run by idiots for the past 84 years and you do not think it is a big story LOL, You had a little credibility left but that has now gone as you show your true colour's, You are just like those that have run Chicago for the past 84 years.

Aw shucks. Now you done gone and hurt my feelings.

[PAsasquatch]

I'm thinking that I enjoy watching Stanc get people wound up way too much.

[montana]

I'm thinking that I enjoy watching Stanc get people wound up way too much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of a person performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

All of us,"including Stan" are guilty of employing cognitive dissonance. We are only human.

[stanc]

I'm thinking that I enjoy watching Stanc get people wound up way too much.

[LR1955]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of a person performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

All of us,"including Stan" are guilty of employing cognitive dissonance. We are only human.

MT:

I can't see how Stan is demonstrating Cognitive Dissonance Theory. I can't seem to find anything he has said that shows he holds two or more contradictory beliefs when it comes to gun ownership.

What I do see is him questioning some of the more irrational and absurd comments people have made and or have directed at him personally.

LR55

[montana]

MT:

I can't see how Stan is demonstrating Cognitive Dissonance Theory. I can't seem to find anything he has said that shows he holds two or more contradictory beliefs when it comes to gun ownership.

What I do see is him questioning some of the more irrational and absurd comments people have made and or have directed at him personally.

LR55

Playing on words to prove an argument is cognitive dissonance, "which if my memory serves" you have called him out on. It was not meant as an insult to Stan at all since I have used cognitive dissonance many times without realizing it at the time. I don't like to lose an argument anymore than the next guy but Stan has cut me down more than once. Stan knows exactly what I think of him and is one of the reasons I enjoy debating him. Stan loves to mix it up with people and isn't afraid of the heat. He is definitely a fighter when it comes to the battle of the wits. How others feel or think about him are their opinions, not mine.

[LR1955]

Playing on words to prove an argument is cognitive dissonance, "which if my memory serves" you have called him out on. It was not meant as an insult to Stan at all since I have used cognitive dissonance many times without realizing it at the time. I don't like to lose an argument anymore than the next guy but Stan has cut me down more than once. Stan knows exactly what I think of him and is one of the reasons I enjoy debating him. Stan loves to mix it up with people and isn't afraid of the heat. He is definitely a fighter when it comes to the battle of the wits. How others feel or think about him are their opinions, not mine.

MT:

Have not seen you go after Stan but have seen others, which is why I brought it up.

Cognitive Dissonance is a old psychological theory that attempts to explain the reason why people do things that are contradictory to their beliefs. Basically it deals with how a person copes with the stresses induced by dealing with two contradictory thoughts / feelings / emotions. People strive for psychological balance and when ever there is conflict, stress occurs. So, they strive to rationalize an action or thought so that the stress disappears. The biggest CG example is people who continue to smoke cigarettes, knowing full well just how dangerous they are to their health. It has been a while since I had to refer to the theory but not once did I ever see it used in context of word usage in a debate. It has always been used in terms of psychological balance and I am not even sure if it is used anymore.

I call Stan out periodically when he refuses to make a clear statement of his intent or beliefs when it comes to the 2A. To me, if you are to argue a point, you better come out and say exactly what you believe or don't believe. Stan has made his beliefs clear about gun ownership. He believes we should be able to own any firearm we want. I don't think he believes the 2A gives an absolute right for anyone to own a firearm but am not positive and please, this time I take the 'don't ask, don't tell' road. The thread would last about fifteen minutes before I would have to lock it.

LR55

[LR1955]

Playing on words to prove an argument is cognitive dissonance, "which if my memory serves" you have called him out on. It was not meant as an insult to Stan at all since I have used cognitive dissonance many times without realizing it at the time. I don't like to lose an argument anymore than the next guy but Stan has cut me down more than once. Stan knows exactly what I think of him and is one of the reasons I enjoy debating him. Stan loves to mix it up with people and isn't afraid of the heat. He is definitely a fighter when it comes to the battle of the wits. How others feel or think about him are their opinions, not mine.

MT:

Have not seen you go after Stan but have seen others, which is why I brought it up.

Cognitive Dissonance is a old psychological theory that attempts to explain the reason why people do things that are contradictory to their beliefs. Basically it deals with how a person copes with the stresses induced by dealing with two contradictory thoughts / feelings / emotions. People strive for psychological balance and when ever there is conflict, stress occurs. So, they strive to rationalize an action or thought so that the stress disappears. The biggest CD example is people who continue to smoke cigarettes, knowing full well just how dangerous they are to their health. It has been a while since I had to refer to the theory but not once did I ever see it used in context of word usage in a debate. It has always been used in terms of psychological balance and I am not even sure if it is used anymore.

I call Stan out periodically when he refuses to make a clear statement of his intent or beliefs when it comes to the 2A. To me, if you are to argue a point, you better come out and say exactly what you believe or don't believe. Stan has made his beliefs clear about gun ownership. He believes we should be able to own any firearm we want. I don't think he believes the 2A gives an absolute right for anyone to own a firearm but am not positive and please, this time I take the 'don't ask, don't tell' road. The thread would last about fifteen minutes before I would have to lock it.

LR55

[montana]

I know as a moderator you have to keep civility as I and most members appreciate very much. The one thing some members may not understand or realize about Stan is he has an uncanny way of seeing things many of us can miss. Stan has made me re-think my methods of debate and thinking, especially when discussing gun issues, Stan and I don't always agree,"quite often at times" but I have nothing but the most absolute respect for his debating ability and firearm knowledge. He is no dummy! I feel very fortunate to be able to pick his brain while debating him. Good or bad Stan says what he thinks and I find his approach very refreshing. It only makes me smarter on such issues. Warning to all: getting into a word war with Stan is not for the faint of heart. He is no push over lol.