How to Read the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution

[bj139]

BjornF16,
Room 2A has been closed for the past month or two. This is the first time I've seen it open.
I think you are just in time for the grand re-opening.

[LR1955]

BjornF16,
Room 2A has been closed for the past month or two. This is the first time I've seen it open.
I think you are just in time for the grand re-opening.

Negative.

BFT re-opened the 2A forum several weeks ago.

I imagine that it will be pretty quiet until Stan comes off of his banned status in a week or so.

LR55

[BjornF16]

Negative.

BFT re-opened the 2A forum several weeks ago.

I imagine that it will be pretty quiet until Stan comes off of his banned status in a week or so.

LR55

LOL...guess I missed all the fireworks

[stanc]

LOL...guess I missed all the fireworks

You didn't miss much. There was no heated discussion or flaring tempers. It was all pretty mundane.

I started a thread I should not have. I was asked a direct question, to which I gave an honest answer.

LR55 deemed my answer to merit a ban. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...l=1#post204370

[Double Naught Spy]

I know I'm late to this fight (but have been out of the country for last 2 months...)

The Militia Act only required certain firearms and accoutrements to be maintained. Surely there are other types of "arms" available that weren't required by the Militia Act to be possessed.

Militia Act only required those active members of the militia to own and maintain a "standardized" weapon system and amount of lead and powder.

They could then choose to have other personal "arms" for 2A protected purposes (e.g. hunting, self-defense, etc).

Under the militia act, you did not have a voluntary choice to be a member, but a requirement of members was to own particular weaponry and supplies. A right is no longer a right when it is a requirement. Under the first amendment, you have the freedom of religion, but would you consider that right violated if the government mandated that you worship and tythe at a religion not of your own choosing, particularly if you didn't want to worship anywhere. A right means having a choice to do something or not and ceases to be a right when that choice is taken away.

[stanc]

Under the militia act, you did not have a voluntary choice to be a member, but a requirement of members was to own particular weaponry and supplies. A right is no longer a right when it is a requirement.

Not exactly. A right means the government cannot lawfully prohibit you from doing something.

Under the Militia Act of 1792, militia members were not denied the right to keep and bear arms.

[dammitman]

is this it?,,,,seriously? anything else?

[dammitman]

cmon, there must be something better to discuss,,,,,,

[BjornF16]

Under the militia act, you did not have a voluntary choice to be a member, but a requirement of members was to own particular weaponry and supplies. A right is no longer a right when it is a requirement. Under the first amendment, you have the freedom of religion, but would you consider that right violated if the government mandated that you worship and tythe at a religion not of your own choosing, particularly if you didn't want to worship anywhere. A right means having a choice to do something or not and ceases to be a right when that choice is taken away.

I'll say it again...the Militia Act required active militia members to maintain a standardized firearm, amount of lead and powder. They were free to choose to have other personal firearms or to choose not to have them.

As militia members, they already were providing their firearm, lead and powder. The Militia Act was standardizing what they were bringing to the fight.

Conscientious objectors were NOT required to maintain the standardized militia weaponry (as they were not active members of the militia).

Those who were outside the age of militia service weren't required to maintain the standardized militia weaponry.

Those who were excluded from militia service due to disability weren't required to maintain the standardized militia weaponry.

Women weren't required to maintain the standardized militia weaponry.

Another more realistic example: We have 1A rights to free speech in public forum (meaning government can't suppress our speech in the public square). However, government can compel us to speak in certain circumstances (e.g. in a court of law).