It's started. "Rate of fire"

[Sticks]

South Carolina (among other states going after the "Bump Stocks" has 2 bills rolling now that use the terminology

H3206 would outlaw any device that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm

H3240 would ban the sale or possession of any device that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm

As the question was put forth by LR1955 in a now locked thread;

OK Guys:

I have a question.

Why would a ban on bump stocks be a threat to the 2A? Please -- the 'slippery slope' argument is not an answer.

LR55

.. and here is your answer, except we skipped the slippery slope and jumped right off the cliff.

Quite a few other really disturbing ones in other states

CA

AB18 would create an excise tax on handguns and semi-automatic rifles

AB61 would add more people to the list of people that can file for a 'red flag' protection order

SB55 would make anyone convicted of two or more misdemeanors a prohibited person

SB61 would limit sales of all firearms to one per month

FL

H0135 is a universal background check bill

H6005 doubles down on gun free school zones


IN

HB1040 would require all firearms to be locked up in the home if children are present

HB1048 would require firearms to be locked up if a child is in the home

SB0119 would make it illegal to transfer a machine gun to anyone under 18 years old

SB0125 would make it illegal to open carry an 'assault weapon' or to transport one loaded

SB0126 would ban bump stocks and 'multi-burst' trigger activators

SB0263 wo8uld raise the minimum age to buy 'assault weapons' to 21

MD

SB8 is a 'ghost gun' bill

MI

HB6608 would outlaw 3D printed guns

MO

HB162 would outlaw bump stocks and trigger cranks

HB210 is a 'universal background check' bill

HB235 would require anyone who has a firearm stolen to report the loss within 72 hours

HB258 would severely limit where a person can carry a concealed firearm

HB87 would make it illegal to give a firearm to anyone on the terrorist watch list or who is a member of a terrorist organization

HB90 would finance a study on gun violence with taxpayer money

HB97 would outlaw the sale of 'assault weapons' to anyone under 21 years old

SB163 would require all firearm sales and transfers to go through a gun dealer and a background check

SB23 would create firearm restraining orders

SB39 would allow carrying firearms on public transportation and on property owned by public transportation companies.

SB40 would require firearms to be securely stored when there are children in the house

SB42 would create extreme risk protection orders very similar to California law

SB75 would allow the governing body of any county, city, town, or village to create local laws requiring anyone that is carrying a concealed firearm to have a concealed carry license, overriding the states constitutional carry law

SB94 would add more disqualifying offenses for firearm prohibitions including misdemeanor domestic assault

NH

HB101 would allow individual school districts to create their own firearm regulations

HB109 would require background check on all commercial sales or transfers of firearms, something that is already required

NM

HB101 make it so people renewing or replacing their permit would not have to be fingerprinted so long as their prints are on file

HB130 would require anyone that owns firearms and knows or reasonably should know that a minor could get to them to lock them up

HB35 would require all gun dealers to pay the state a $200 a year license fee and would require them to call any time they purchase a firearm to make sure it's not stolen

HB40 would require private parties who sell a firearm at a gun show to run a background check on the buyer through a dealer

HB8 is a universal background check bill

HB83 would create extreme risk protection orders

SB8 is a universal background check bill

OK

SB34 would make minor changes to concealed carry law but would also recognize any valid concealed concealed carry license from any state

SB38 would allow people with a concealed carry license to carry in the state capitol

SB87 would take away the right of active duty military and national guard soldiers to carry without a license

RI

H5022 would prohibit carrying long guns anywhere outside of the home or business except for hunting

SC

H3053 would make anyone convicted of any crime that carries a sentence of one year or more a prohibited person

H3058 would require a completed background check before any firearm can be transferred no matter how long it takes

H3059 is a universal background check bill

H3061 would require all firearms to be locked up if a person knows or reasonably knows a child could get to them

H3109 would create a 7% tax on all handguns to be used for a school safety fund

H3110 would eliminate the tax free second amendment weekend

H3134 would apply new restrictions to where a person can carry a concealed firearm

H3206 would outlaw any device that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm

H3240 would ban the sale or possession of any device that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm

H3248 would require all firearm transfers to wait until a background check is completed


H3311 would require all parties in a vehicle during a traffic stop to disclose if there are firearms in the vehicle

S0054 would prevent any gun transfer from proceeding unless the background check has been completed or at least 28 days has passed

S0055 would prevent any gun transfer from proceeding unless the background check has completed or 28 at least days has passed

S0139 would make carrying a firearm into a large list of places illegal


UT

HB0017 would use $600,000 of taxpayer money to create a gun violence and suicide prevention task force

VA

HB1654 would outlaw carrying a rifle or shotgun in public

HB1691 is a 'ghost gun' bill

H3363 would hold anyone who has a firearm stolen from them that is then used in a crime civilly liable

SB1162 is a universal background check bill

SB1163 would outlaw bump stock and any other 'trigger activator' that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm

SB1164 is a universal background check bill

WA

HB1010 would allow state police to destroy firearm forfeited firearms


HB1073 would outlaw 'ghost' guns

SB5061 would outlaw 'ghost' guns

https://amgoa.org/Proposed-State-Gun-Legislation

US Congress

HB7115 would ban receiver blanks, firearm kits and 3D printed parts and firearms

https://amgoa.org/Proposed-Federal-Gun-Legislation

[LR1955]

Sticks:

Yes -- the only thing I see with the bumpstock ban would be that it allows radical leftists to define what a rate of fire is then demand that all firearms meet their definition. Which means none so all will first registered, then taxed, then confiscated.

The other laws you listed don't really deal with bump stocks but are proposals. The problem with proposals is that a bunch of them never make it out of committee.

So, you may want to have a way of telling us which of these proposals made it out of a committee and to a vote.

Also, you and I can scream all we want about these things but unless we elect politicians who will not compromise our rights and freedoms, we will slowly lose until we have nothing. A bunch of radical leftists with a passion for hating conservatives and any symbol of freedom just took over the US House. What does any gun owner expect will happen?

LR55

[Sticks]

There is another forum that I frequent, and every year there is a "Current Bills" thread for the year and is updated. I will be keeping a close eye on those that have wording on "Rate of Fire" or sumsuch. I do hope that they do die in committee, rather tossed in the file 13 as soon as the title is read.

[newb]

In CA done as usual without even a vote..... age raised to 21 to even by a bolt action rifle.

Every year we are either debating or cringing on what they are going to take next..... never what are they going to give back.

And they will keep taking one cookie out of the jar at a time until it is empty. Everyone knows if they take the entire jar at once there might be a fight.... but most people who own guns have a life and too much to lose to start fighting... so either way the bad people who have taken control will win.

[murfvol]

Presumably the SC stuff will never leave committee, but it is weird to see such proposals there.

[Keef]

Libertarian stance on gun control below, talk all you want. Voting democrat or Republican is the lost cause, not a third party that actually has a platform that lines up with gun owners freedom.

Copied section below.

Second Amendment recognizes an individual right
We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.
Source: 2016 Libertarian Party Platform, adopted in Convention , May 30, 2016

Affirm the right to keep and bear arms
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights--life, liberty, and justly acquired property--against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any group. We affirm the right to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.
Source: National platform adopted at Denver L.P. convention , May 30, 2008

Repeal all gun control laws and regulation of weapons
We affirm the right to keep and bear arms and oppose all laws restricting the ownership, manufacture, or sale of firearms. We oppose all laws requiring registration of firearms or ammunition. We support repeal of all gun control laws and we demand the immediate abolition of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. We favor the repeal of laws banning the concealment of weapons or prohibiting pocket weapons. We also oppose the banning of inexpensive handguns and semi-automatic weapons.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000

[RMiller]

This country is getting crazier every day.

It is getting closer to the time to embrace the tool that keeps men free.

[Double Naught Spy]

Sticks, I am afraid you are behind the curve for claiming "It's started." This is not a new idea being put forth before congress and has been up multiple times in the last 20 years that I have followed it. The debates creep in as to whether a trigger job would be made illegal because it will make the trigger a device that will increase the rate of fire, or if your finger is now illegal because it will increase the rate of fire.

This is just the newest incarnation.

[Sticks]

Sticks, I am afraid you are behind the curve for claiming "It's started." This is not a new idea being put forth before congress and has been up multiple times in the last 20 years that I have followed it. The debates creep in as to whether a trigger job would be made illegal because it will make the trigger a device that will increase the rate of fire, or if your finger is now illegal because it will increase the rate of fire.

This is just the newest incarnation.

No question that I am behind the curve. This is however the first time that I have seen wording to that effect.

DNS - in your opinion, given the LV incident, do you think that the wording in such proposals will get more attention and have a higher chance of success?

[JASmith]

I, for one, am surprised at the unease regarding bump stock bans. Allowing their use appears to have been an Obama Administration attempt to to skirt the spirit, if not the letter, if the NFA.

Consistency in the law would have suggested that bump stocks should never have been permitted.

We can debate the value of the NFA, bump stocks, and other devices that permit multiple shots with a single human activation. They all, however, should treated as part of the broader definition of “machine gun.” The rationale is that an observer watching the firing would be unable to tell the difference between the bump stock and a firearm equipped with a full auto trigger.

PS Does anyone care to be a Don Quixote and joust at the windmill to start a movement to repeal the NFA?

[JASmith]

[Keef]

Still blaming Obama? They had control of both House and Senate when he took office and did nothing regarding gun control. Now a Republican proposes a ban that could VALIDATE all future 2a infringements.......and its Obamas fault?

[Double Naught Spy]

No question that I am behind the curve. This is however the first time that I have seen wording to that effect.

DNS - in your opinion, given the LV incident, do you think that the wording in such proposals will get more attention and have a higher chance of success?

It may. The sad thing is it killed the HPA in the processs.

The bumpstock ban certainly happened thanks to REPUBLICAN congressmen and a REPUBLICAN president. In fact, Trump championed it. Seems to me that NFA fell squarely on Reagan's shoulders. Somewhere in there, the NRA did little to try to stop either one.

[Wheelhorse]

Yep, it happened while Republicans had control of everything.
Not that I have a bump stock or would ever want one, but the way this was done doesn't sit well with me.
I thought Trump was supposed to be the great deal maker.
Had we gotten silencers taken off the NFA or national carry reciprocity out of this I might have felt a little better about it but no, we got nothing at all.
The way I see it we had three choices when we voted. Had hillary been elected, I think everyone knows how that would have turned out. We could have voted independent or stayed home which either of those would have helped her, or we could have voted for Trump.
I wasted a vote once on Ross Perot and won't be doing that again so I see no other choice but to vote Republican.
Either way we're screwed but that way, we might be screwed a little more slowly.

[montana]

So what is the conclusion of all this wisdom???? The Democrats are left wing, socialist "AKA" communist opportunist" that will destroy our 2ndA rights in a second if not pushed back by the freedom loving Republicans. Yet the freedom loving Republicans sacrificed another victim into the false volcano god of "the greater good", "even though they have had the ability to extinguish that same false volcano god many times" and refused. The Libertarian party is the savor of all our freedoms, yet has about as much chance of success as winning the lottery. So the conclusion is what??

1.Give up, go under ground and wait for the apocalypse?
2.Keep doing the same thing and hope for the best? "By the way that is the definition of insanity"
3.Shrug your shoulders and sing Que sera sera??