Grass Roots

[Lemonaid]

To coin a phrase, it takes a group of good guys with guns to stop a group of bad guys with guns.
So, suppose alike minded friends and neighbors agree to train for numerous "Bad Things", what training would you want prioritized?

[grayfox]

Re-phrase: it takes a group of good guys with grit and determination... and some accessories...

off top of my head...
First things:
1. communication channel/s and signals, and comm-sig practice, like the ham radio/local emergency volunteers do.
2. several levels of response, kind of like defcon 1-4...
3. a few "formations" - like when you can get to the property being targeted, and when you can't but can get nearby.
4. what is makeup of your "ready kit", which by the way ought to include more than just arms, like non-lethal/self defense items... like - i don't know - deer scent spray cans, stink sprays, mace sprays, self-protection baton, a cheap cell phone/camera that you can turn on at moment's notice... somebody (or everyone) has some first aid stuff... a helmet? (mobs are starting to use bricks and stones, etc)

Always have some duplicate items, as backups. Always have a plan "B".

Who's on lookout, ie the duty nhd-watch person...

practice identifying who the leader(s) might be... maybe the ones with the megaphone? crowd control imo, begins with leaders-control.

just some brainstorming ideas. [Definitely not a master of this stuff.]

[Wethepeople]

I think that's a great question Lemonaid.
First off, as simple as it sounds, people need to understand their rights. Secondly, I don't like the idea of responding to a call for help where a bunch of people are armed with little or no training in gun safety, not intimately familiar with their firearm or some hothead Rambo wanna be.
After checking those boxes, meet up and offer instruction on drills specific to each individuals needs. I'm fortunate to have my own range, can teach gun safety, am familiar with various firearm platforms and know people whose experience far exceeds my own who can provide instruction to myself and others in tactics, strategies and discipline. Our small group had a couple vets with that kind of experience and in opsec, which was of concern to several in attendance.
I'm sure not the smartest guy in the room so look forward to hearing the responses to that question from the sages here.

[Sinclair]

There are several books, one of the most famous was written by a Swiss Army Officer. Dated, but full of good stuff that never goes out of date. Another is new and written by the same guy that wrote "Concrete Jungle". No one source will have all of the answers, only ideas for brainstorming purposes. A Gunny Highway said," we must improvise, adapt, overcome."

We are at a crossroads, it is up to us as whether or not our grandchildren live under Communism, or be free citizens? There are people who have no idea what socialism or communism is about. I have been asked numerous times, "how bad can it be?" I have went to college numerous times at numerous colleges where I had professors who were admittedly Communists. There is a forum member whose arguments follow hand in hand with what those professors tried to indoctrinate us students. Beware, the enemy is at the gates.

[LR1955]

To coin a phrase, it takes a group of good guys with guns to stop a group of bad guys with guns.
So, suppose alike minded friends and neighbors agree to train for numerous "Bad Things", what training would you want prioritized?

Who is it you are expecting to fight, where, and under what societal conditions. Then what are the tactics and strategy of your opponent?

LR55

[Lemonaid]

Who is it you are expecting to fight, where, and under what societal conditions. Then what are the tactics and strategy of your opponent?

LR55

Planning for the worst, hoping for best. Biggest fear is unconstitutional government seizure of firearms and imprisonment afterword as country mirrors Venezuela. (Toilet paper hoarders saw this coming!)
Next would be imported rioters looters and arsonists. Third would be foreign troops taking over. Which one do you think is most likely?

[LR1955]

Planning for the worst, hoping for best. Biggest fear is unconstitutional government seizure of firearms and imprisonment afterword as country mirrors Venezuela. (Toilet paper hoarders saw this coming!)
Next would be imported rioters looters and arsonists. Third would be foreign troops taking over. Which one do you think is most likely?

LA:

None of the above.

There are too many gigantic problems with your scenarios. Such as the role of our federal forces and National Guard in all of this. And the states and counties where the State and local governments will refuse to oppress the citizens. Hell, I cant imagine the gang bangers in L.A. allowing some troops from the UN to order them around. And if the population in your county or parish or what ever allows imported rioters and looters to destroy your town or city -- it is a lick on you.

So, give some thought to this and come back with something that is just a bit more probable.

LR55

[Sinclair]

Who is it you are expecting to fight, where, and under what societal conditions. Then what are the tactics and strategy of your opponent?

LR55

Correct, it appears to me that it will be a re-enactment to the Missouri border wars during the first Civil war. Others have made similar analogies. Who will be friend or foe will be very hard to determine.

[Lemonaid]

LA:

None of the above.

There are too many gigantic problems with your scenarios. Such as the role of our federal forces and National Guard in all of this. And the states and counties where the State and local governments will refuse to oppress the citizens. Hell, I cant imagine the gang bangers in L.A. allowing some troops from the UN to order them around. And if the population in your county or parish or what ever allows imported rioters and looters to destroy your town or city -- it is a lick on you.

So, give some thought to this and come back with something that is just a bit more probable.

LR55

I fervently pray that you are right and I am completely wrong. I thought the deep state was improbable at first, then came IRS Lois Learner gate, FBI corruption, Justice Department corruption, State department corruption, Voting integrity corruption, attempted coup of duly elected president, false impeachment, court corruption.
The corruption was vast beyond belief. Suspect there is corruption in the armed forces as well.
Did you see the reports of Chinese troops doing cold weather training in Canada?

[LR1955]

I fervently pray that you are right and I am completely wrong. I thought the deep state was improbable at first, then came IRS Lois Learner gate, FBI corruption, Justice Department corruption, State department corruption, Voting integrity corruption, attempted coup of duly elected president, false impeachment, court corruption.
The corruption was vast beyond belief. Suspect there is corruption in the armed forces as well.
Did you see the reports of Chinese troops doing cold weather training in Canada?

LA:

Anytime someone starts a response with "I pray you are right", it means they do not believe a bit of what I said. The Canadians were going to sponsor some CHICOM troops for some cold weather training. Nothing said about how many and the Canadian government stopped it because the CHICOMs have held two of their citizens in prison in China for a couple of years. So, the Canadians cancelled the training and no, the Chicoms haven't invaded through Northern Maine.

So, come up with some probable scenarios for your local area. Northern Utah? I wonder how many Mormons will allow themselves to be religiously and politically oppressed?

LR55

[Lemonaid]

LA:

Anytime someone starts a response with "I pray you are right", it means they do not believe a bit of what I said. The Canadians were going to sponsor some CHICOM troops for some cold weather training. Nothing said about how many and the Canadian government stopped it because the CHICOMs have held two of their citizens in prison in China for a couple of years. So, the Canadians cancelled the training and no, the Chicoms haven't invaded through Northern Maine.

So, come up with some probable scenarios for your local area. Northern Utah? I wonder how many Mormons will allow themselves to be religiously and politically oppressed?

LR55

I stand by I pray you are right. I am a pretty lazy type of fellow getting up there in age and declining physical condition. The amount of work, time and money it would take to participate in any sort of organized defense has no appeal, let alone the abhorrent concept of having to fight against fellow Americans.
A study of the "Mormon" history would show you how many times violent mobs have driven them from their homes. Not saying it wouldn't be different this time, just not a history of victory.

Exit poll question (everyone who cares to respond): What triggering event would it take for you to take up arms in protest?

[montana]

The Red Dawn scenario is not a real one IMO. What is more likely to happen, "is a push for more repressive gun control under the excuse of another mass shooting" that can be exploited. Perception, "not reality" works with the bread and circuses type subjects AKA (dems) and presstitutes.. The infrastructure that supports AR and other type rifles will wither and die on the vine, since the once legal product is now verboden. The shooting community and industry, "will then focus on bolt action, shot guns, revolvers, etc," that will be considered legal and common sense. If the dems get control of the senate, then this will become a reality. The gov won't go door to door to get them, but will get a few hold outs when they get caught with them during a traffic stop, self defence shootings, a friend or relative quietly informs on them, overly out spoken on social media, etc. The contraband will go under ground, where they will not be used for hunting, training or competition...There are pro gun groups that are starting to get attorneys and ways to fight these unconstitutional laws, since there are still pro gun judges still in the court system. That is, until the left stacks the courts...

[Wethepeople]

I want to make one last pitch for peoplesrights as a grassroots group worthy of consideration. Trying to build an effective way to make a difference in our communities, State and Country in protecting ourselves and our natural rights from present and unforeseen events or threats is no small task.
I am in no way preaching or blowing smoke up anyones britches, when I say there are many outstanding leaders and proud Americans from all over the country on this site whose good neighbors need them. I know many contribute in those capacities in various forms already. A number here have served in this Nations Armed Forces. My contributions and experience pale in comparison to so many here.
Regardless of what you may think about a group associated with Ammon Bundy (I personally know several that take a negative view of the Bundys as law breakers), this isn't about them.
Let me just say this. Your neighbors, spread across your counties and regions, need your help in making peoplesrights about us, the people and organized protection of our rights. I dont know how effective or how large an influence pr's will become. I know it will be percieved by many and deamonized as the evil militia, racist white supremacists, nazis, ad naseum. I know most of you are busy men with busy lives. We need your help in making this organization what it has the potential of becoming. We need your guidance, experience, wisdom and thank you for your consideration. All feedback welcome, even if it hurts..., I think?

[montana]

I want to make one last pitch for peoplesrights as a grassroots group worthy of consideration. Trying to build an effective way to make a difference in our communities, State and Country in protecting ourselves and our natural rights from present and unforeseen events or threats is no small task.
I am in no way preaching or blowing smoke up anyones britches, when I say there are many outstanding leaders and proud Americans from all over the country on this site whose good neighbors need them. I know many contribute in those capacities in various forms already. A number here have served in this Nations Armed Forces. My contributions and experience pale in comparison to so many here.
Regardless of what you may think about a group associated with Ammon Bundy (I personally know several that take a negative view of the Bundys as law breakers), this isn't about them.
Let me just say this. Your neighbors, spread across your counties and regions, need your help in making peoplesrights about us, the people and organized protection of our rights. I dont know how effective or how large an influence pr's will become. I know it will be percieved by many and deamonized as the evil militia, racist white supremacists, nazis, ad naseum. I know most of you are busy men with busy lives. We need your help in making this organization what it has the potential of becoming. We need your guidance, experience, wisdom and thank you for your consideration. All feedback welcome, even if it hurts..., I think?

You will first need to live in a pro gun state, county or community. If the sheriffs department will publicly up hold the 2ndA, then this form of group will have a chance. If not, it would be self destructive to believe anything else. Look at Seattle if you need to understand how the rule of law will disintegrate because of political leftist ideology. A community that will not support gun grabs, is the way we can stop this. The left defies laws all the time in Commiefornia and other leftist heck holes across the nation. With out a supporting local community, they will just make an example of you with the full support of the local officials.https://www.youtube.com/watch?utm_ca...ature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw

[Razorback]

Unfortunately gun "rights" groups, are going to have to willing put themselves out of business. Meaning their objective is to finish their mission statement which should be:
Constitutional Carry
Reciprocity
Ridding ourselves of the Hughes Amendment
And TO ABOLISH THE ATF!
Unfortunately, what happens is that certain characters like the money and donations, coming in and treat their organizations like a personal piggy bank. In doing so they will sabotage, backstab, imbed the themselves in positions of power for decades and fundamentally take issues that hurt gun rights, so that they will stay in business forever. They know full well once the 2A is restored they are out of a windfall of cash!

In the meantime an emphasis on the 2A being a civil right especially in the inner cities which have to deal with basically ZERO gun rights, that is where some money should be spent. One only has to call Leftist policies in their absence of any 2A policies as RACIST! Use the defunding the Police movement to our advantage as a Police State, is unnecessary with a well armed populace! Also in rural areas that are RED, but live in Blue States whose policies are dominated by large leftist cities, they should establish 2nd Amendment SANCTUARY STATUS! We have to grow our ranks and we need more than just the same old same old! It has happened with women, they are everywhere in gun shops, ranges and training classes! Once we win over the majority with common sense tactics we can gain some 2A victories! With strong 2A objectives and KNOWING that NATURAL RIGHTS are a thing, other political and economical objectives will be met as well, they go hand in hand! It has to go grassroots; bring it up in churches, bars, and gatherings! Unfortunately there are very few in government yo help, we have to force them to take it up by not electing false prophets, AKA RINO's!
The NRA blew so much money and wasted so much valuable time!