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Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - NugginFutz - 08-09-2018 LR1955 Wrote:NF: Wish I had one, LR55. Allow me to present an analogy. You are now the manager of a movie theater. You hear a commotion from one of the theaters showing a Dwayne Johnson action film. You listen for a minute, and discover that you have a group of people upset with one particular patron. The one patron is talking throughout the show, saying what a terrible actor the Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is, while the other people are yelling at him to stop so they can enjoy the show. This goes on, with this same talkative patron, show after show, talking through each one. Whom do you, as a movie theater manager, sanction? The talkative patron, or the people seated around him? While I admit it is a loose analogy, I believe it establishes the point. As long as the talkative patron keeps it up, more and more people will avoid that particular theater and seek out a different venue. I can only say that in the past, moderators have issued warnings to disruptive elements. Continued offenses were followed by "time-outs". Further disruption, well, you get the gist. . Your dilemma, then, is how to decide who or what is the disruptive element. Further, is it even worth dealing with? After all, 2A is only one of several "theaters within the movieplex". Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - keystone183 - 08-09-2018 This makes total sense!!! Sometimes, i LOVE the Rock's movies, and sometimes, i HATE them! Excellent job sir! Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - Keef - 08-09-2018 The easiest way to win a debate is to kick out the person you're arguing against.....keep the 2a forum like it is. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - LRRPF52 - 08-09-2018 My overall perspective of the 2A Room is a distraction from moderating or focusing on technical information. Most people come here for reloading info and insights, solutions to problems in AR15 troubleshooting, what's latest and greatest in terms of rifles, uppers, barrels, bolts, magazines, optics, and things of that nature. When I see "What's New" and it's populated with "Room 2A", I don't even want to go in there, but I have to because I want to make sure we're maintaining gentlemanly conduct on this forum. My concern is that new and existing members will drop in, then have a negative experience when the Grendel forum is meant to support the members in a positive way. If we find more and more bickering, we remember that and don't want to log in anymore, which defeats the main body and purpose of the forum. If we suggest the study and adherence to formal intellectual standards for debate, where logical fallacies aren't permitted, then the grounded people who understand what freedom is and couldn't care less about an intellectual argument get marginalized, and the same effect is present of alienating members. I'm very passionate and studied about the history of firearms ownership, love to learn new things I have yet to discover, but don't like to see grown men acting like children about it. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - stanc - 08-09-2018 NugginFutz Wrote:Wish I had one, LR55.It's not even a "loose" analogy. It's a totally inaccurate analogy. Unlike with a talkative movie patron, no one is forced to read my posts in order to read the posts made by others. Indeed, those sensitive souls who find my posts so dreadfully annoying have the option to avoid even seeing them. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - NugginFutz - 08-09-2018 stanc Wrote:It's not even a "loose" analogy. It's a totally inaccurate analogy. Setting the analogy aside for the moment... I'll flip it back at you, ala LR55... What, then, would your solution be? Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - NugginFutz - 08-09-2018 Keef Wrote:The easiest way to win a debate is to kick out the person you're arguing against.....keep the 2a forum like it is.The corollary to that, then, would be to close down the 2a Forum, thus removing the bone over which they are bickering. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - keystone183 - 08-09-2018 stanc Wrote:It's not even a "loose" analogy. It's a totally inaccurate analogy. Just to keep up the theme of the threads....... It is a good 'loose' analogy. See, the movie patrons don't have to pay to see Rock movies either. And after finding that this particular talkative critic is only obnoxiously critiquing Rocks movies.....they can quit going to see Rocks movies. They don't like the particular patron, so they stop going. Ooooorrrr....they start yelling back and forth with the noisy guest, and the theater owner ends up having to spend extra time in that one particular theater showing Rocks movies. So, they're forced to make a choice between kicking out the loudmouf dude they are friends with, or to stop showing Rock movies, or to just put up a sign that makes it clear that this particular theater is a free-for-all, and if you go in there, you may hear a bunch of jawjacking in tediously itemized form. ![]() I thought it was a perfect analogy NF! Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - JASmith - 08-09-2018 This discussion is well past the point of dimishing returns AGAIN! I strongly disagree with the notion that one exercises censorship by setting an arbitrary limit on the number of posts in a subforum that consistently devolves into repetitive comments. I have learned a number of good tidbits about the 2A here, but that benefit is becoming outweighed by the argumentive tone and stubborn contrary attitude shown by one poster. If the moderators cannot or choose not to apply better constraints on one who consistently provokes the arguments, then, the sub forum should be shut down. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - stanc - 08-09-2018 NugginFutz Wrote:Setting the analogy aside for the moment...You'll have to be a bit more specific. Solution to what problem(s)? Personally, I don't have a problem with discussion/debate, even when posts are about minutiae, or stray off topic; few people have the self-discipline to refrain from doing either. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - LR1955 - 08-09-2018 NugginFutz Wrote:Setting the analogy aside for the moment... Sorry NF: You didn't 'flip it back on me'. You refused to clearly state the problem and refused to offer a solution. Not even by a stretch of the imagination is your analogy true. A movie theater is a for profit enterprise where someone is paying for a service. The service is a movie and a patron has a right to be able to watch the movie without being bothered by people who are conducting themselves against the rules laid out by that theater. Sorry, it won't work. LR55 Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - stanc - 08-09-2018 bj139 Wrote:Without Stan, there would be no counterpoint.I created a thread for that exact purpose. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?17667-Tactics-and-Methods It has been totally ignored. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - bj139 - 08-09-2018 StoneHendge Wrote:I contribute very little here because I choose not to participate. I think it's pretty clear why I made that choice. One of the premises of this thread was the amount of locked threads. It doesn't take a Master to see there is one common denominator in virtually all of the locked threads. I'm not asking for anyone to be banned. Just commenting on the subject. There was a time or two where my head was about to explode due to comments by you know who. I realized I was becoming irrational which I thought was training by Stan into keeping my cool under fire. I never said you should change your opinion if it did not need changing. Don't you believe in free speech or only in speech you agree with? Careful, you might be a leftist and not know it.
Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - keystone183 - 08-09-2018 LR1955 Wrote:Sorry NF: LR, i suggest you go back and read NF's post. You did not clearly understand it. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - LR1955 - 08-09-2018 keystone183 Wrote:LR, i suggest you go back and read NF's post. You did not clearly understand it. ks: Not smoking you or anything but please do tell me what it was about his post I didn't understand? LR-55 Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - cory - 08-09-2018 In order for the topics to progress in a productive manner we must assume the other poster knows something we don't. Otherwise it's just arrogantly forcing your opinion onto others. This is what I think Stans problem is and what people are so tired of here. I'd hate to see Stan disappear altogether. He does bring a wealth of experience. When he is acting in the former he's an asset to the discussion. The problem is he to often falls into the latter category. Enough is enough. I'd suggest we let this thread serve as a warning to anyone who only wants to force their opinions onto other, not contributing to the betterment of the discussion. If they continue to act in the same manner beyond this point, they should be banned from the 2A sub forum. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - keystone183 - 08-09-2018 LR1955 Wrote:ks: His statement wasn't directed at you, but stan. He just referenced you. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - NugginFutz - 08-09-2018 It is threads like this that make me wonder if people's web-browsers are forcibly omitting every other word. LR55 - I told you I wished that I had a solution. Fortunately for me, that is not my lookout. As far as the analogy goes, Yes - I get it. This is not a paid venue, so there is no expectation of quid pro quo. It is a loose comparison of the two experiences people may have, in the two different venues. If you disagree, so be it. Stan - I get it. You are feeling butt-hurt because every one seems to be picking on you. I can honestly say I feel bad about it, but I can also say that now that the sentiments are revealed for what they are, how you deal with it from this moment will be telling. What solution was I referring to? Just go back to the post you weighed in on, where I was posing a comparison, and see LR55's post I was personally responding to. If you want to get a more specific statement of the solution, ask LR55. He asked for ideas, in the first place. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - JASmith - 08-09-2018 Very well stated! A partial ban may work well. cory Wrote:In order for the topics to progress in a productive manner we must assume the other poster knows something we don't. Otherwise it's just arrogantly forcing your opinion onto others. Value of the 2A Sub Forum on 6.5 Grendel Forum - bj139 - 08-09-2018 StoneHendge Wrote:I certainly believe in free speech. Again, I am just commenting on the subject matter of this thread which is the amount of degenerated and locked threads. I also didn't like the locked threads since I considered it censorship. I didn't think those threads had become bad enough to lock. The owners of this site are free to run it as they wish so I accept that and move on. Having a room dedicated to promoting the 2A would be good. I know what you mean where every subject to do with the 2A becomes an arguement with Stan as to whether we even have a 2A.
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