SST Frags and has so-so lethality. Thinking GMX, but maybe not a great idea

[Cornbread]

Nosler lists the minimum threshold for expansion on the ballistic tip and accubonds at 1800 fps and no max threshold. I can tell you the ballistic tip is good for at least 3200 and the accubond more than that. I asked nosler asking about the partitions as I was pushing a 35 cal hard in a 350 rem mag and wondered what the max velocity was. The guy about laughed and said there is none.So I doubt the LRAB bullet would come apart at 2300 fps.

That is a good point about grendel speeds and the LRAB. Given it's bc and performance window that's a good combination. Still hard to beat the partition at normal hunting ranges. Although price wise they are prob close.

PA that's a good point. My personal experience with the sst is limited but has been good so far. But you can tell the jacket and core seperate. I 've probably killed 50-60 deer with the old ballistic tps in 30 cal and they were known to seperate also but most of em did the bang flop. Shot placement is key.

[rickOshay]

.....does the gmx frag.

Holds together nicely at 2900 fps. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...-Grendel/page2

[Djgrendel]

I have had what I consider par results with handloaded 123 sst. Broadside on deer from 150 to 225 yards I get plenty of internal damage and pass through. It does shed plenty, but my results have shown it to work just fine for a jacketed lead bullet. So far the only one I've recovered was a 275 yard frontal chest shot on a pronghorn. Found the slug and separated jacket just under the t lions. The slug and jacket were approx 1" apart. Combined weight of jacket and slug was around 45 grains if I remember. Plenty of shrapnel throughout the wound. I would not want to punch thru edible meat with that bullet, but it works.

[BIG D]

thanks Rick, looks like you have done a ton of testing. i am looking at reloading the 100 gr ttsx just wish the gmx came in 100 or 90 gr.

[sneaky one]

Big D, I recovered only 1 Gmx from a deer- it's in my albums. It was my first try with a 100 grn. Gmx, launched at 2550 fps. The bullet entered the brisket--full frontal facing me 120 # doe. She made an attempt to jump, but fell DRT.

It took the top of heart off, tumbled along the upper ribs, wrecked a tenderloin, exited the rear of ribs, re-entered the left leg, shattering the femur, and blew the hip socket out- wow!

No petals came off.

Mseric & I shot together a few years back- we shot into gallon water jugs. I sent a 90 Gmx thru 9 jugs in a row= 54" of h2o. A petal was found in the 8th jug. We looked at each other and said at same time--it's unstoppable!

I will never use anything but lead free bullets . In 2015 I shot a 280# buck- 21yds. 26" plus of penetration, after putting a fist size hole thru the spinal column.77 grn. Gmx 2974 fps. 16" Faxon bbl.

ROS, and Jasmith asked for some 80 grn. for tests- these were the first ooopes, that came in at 77grn.

I have full confidence in these pills. , But not at 120 grns. in the Grrr-too slow. 120 is awesome for the Creedmore, & .260, 6.5 x55 Swede,etc.

RS, yes that was a 327 yd. shot with the 105 Gmx.

I switched powders from RL 7 to H335- upped the speed to2999, 80 Gmx-16" bbl. My goal is a 90 Gmx at same speed. Grrr Max Lite, looks like my only option to get there.

JH, Big D, bug Hornady for a few different Gmx wts. 85& 95 &105.

[rovert]

Nosler lists the minimum threshold for expansion on the ballistic tip and accubonds at 1800 fps and no max threshold. I can tell you the ballistic tip is good for at least 3200 and the accubond more than that.

I feel Ballistic Tips are a little iffy over 3000 fps. This one was going 3200 into water jugs.



48.4% recovered, 3 jugs.

Would it kill a deer? Sure. Are there better options? I believe there are. Accubond, same velocity:



65.1% recovered, 4 jugs.

[johnhefley]

Big D, I recovered only 1 Gmx from a deer- it's in my albums. It was my first try with a 100 grn. Gmx, launched at 2550 fps. The bullet entered the brisket--full frontal facing me 120 # doe. She made an attempt to jump, but fell DRT.

It took the top of heart off, tumbled along the upper ribs, wrecked a tenderloin, exited the rear of ribs, re-entered the left leg, shattering the femur, and blew the hip socket out- wow!

No petals came off.

Mseric & I shot together a few years back- we shot into gallon water jugs. I sent a 90 Gmx thru 9 jugs in a row= 54" of h2o. A petal was found in the 8th jug. We looked at each other and said at same time--it's unstoppable!

I will never use anything but lead free bullets . In 2015 I shot a 280# buck- 21yds. 26" plus of penetration, after putting a fist size hole thru the spinal column.77 grn. Gmx 2974 fps. 16" Faxon bbl.

ROS, and Jasmith asked for some 80 grn. for tests- these were the first ooopes, that came in at 77grn.

I have full confidence in these pills. , But not at 120 grns. in the Grrr-too slow. 120 is awesome for the Creedmore, & .260, 6.5 x55 Swede,etc.

RS, yes that was a 327 yd. shot with the 105 Gmx.

I switched powders from RL 7 to H335- upped the speed to2999, 80 Gmx-16" bbl. My goal is a 90 Gmx at same speed. Grrr Max Lite, looks like my only option to get there.

JH, Big D, bug Hornady for a few different Gmx wts. 85& 95 &105.

Sneaky, now THAT'S the kind of mayhem I want from my deer pellets!!!!!

jh

[BIG D]

i asked hornady for a 100 gr gmx no reply. asked barnes about a 90 gr ttsx. they said they will put in a request for me....

[BIG D]

sent to hornady---hi guys and gals. us 6.5 grendel people love your .264 gmx. but it's to heavy for the grendal. we propose a gr in 85-95 &105 gr so we can get the velocity up to take deer reliably.please help us to realize that goal. we love your brass and bullets but the gmx needs to be lighter for the grendel to shine and and hornady to regin supreme.

[sneaky one]

OOOPs , not a Faxon bbl. AA tube, which will be for sale as soon as my Lehigh bolt arrives. Complete upper. More later...

Yeah, these pills are ruthless deer killers. Have not shot anything else with them yet.

Thanks Big D- perfect request!

[thedudeabides]

If we could only get factory loaded lead free... I recently re-requested 95-105 grain options from Barnes, hornady, federal, nosler and winchester. If everyone kept bugging them.... Maybe one day. The newer bullet offerings that RickOshay is testing look very promising also! Finding lead in your meat sux.

[LRRPF52]

Factory lead free currently:

AA 120gr Barnes TSX
PF 100gr Barnes TTSX
PF 100gr Barnes TAC-TX
PF 120gr Barnes TTSX
PF 120gr Nosler E-Tip

[rickt300]

I get a laugh at all you lefty enablers (though it is sad). Having shot hundreds of feral hogs and well over a hundred deer with lead core bullets I just don't see lead contamination an issue. Meat processors and I both look for and remove any lead we find. We as humans don't have gizzards so any lead we might consume passes too quickly through our systems to cause problems. Where lead causes humans problems is through long term exposure especially when we are young. The single Condor found dead and assumed that death was caused by a bullet it consumed (and assumption is all there is, no proof) was found by a California greenie leftist. Putting stock in any thing a California Progressive says is flat out foolish. So now we are hobbled by law to use in some areas bullets that do not kill as quickly as we would like unless slammed into bone. My experience with Barnes all copper bullets has shown me enough that I will never unless mandated by law use a monometal bullet on game.

[din]

I get a laugh at all you lefty enablers (though it is sad). Having shot hundreds of feral hogs and well over a hundred deer with lead core bullets I just don't see lead contamination an issue. Meat processors and I both look for and remove any lead we find. We as humans don't have gizzards so any lead we might consume passes too quickly through our systems to cause problems. Where lead causes humans problems is through long term exposure especially when we are young. The single Condor found dead and assumed that death was caused by a bullet it consumed (and assumption is all there is, no proof) was found by a California greenie leftist. Putting stock in any thing a California Progressive says is flat out foolish. So now we are hobbled by law to use in some areas bullets that do not kill as quickly as we would like unless slammed into bone. My experience with Barnes all copper bullets has shown me enough that I will never unless mandated by law use a monometal bullet on game.

Well that's just like your opinion, man.

[LRRPF52]

We all know it is an attempt at further regulation and confiscation eventually.

People still have to follow the law if they aren't willing to fight it in court.