Do I have the lightest Grendel rifle in world?

[Stinky Coyote]

Rifle with Holosun 407c red dot (2.5 oz and no batteries required solar), Burris xtr steel 3 slot front base (0.5 oz). Rifle weighs 4 lb 13.5 oz with red dot. I like the trijicon accupoint on my rugers for stretching things out and didn't have a close range speed/truck/camp option so decided to give this a shot.

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[188mule]

Has anyone tried the SWFA ultralight scope? Says 9.5 oz.

[188mule]

That's an awesome rifle! It is frustrating that you had to do all that work just to get to Howa's advertised weight. Thanks for building it!

[Harpoon1]

Has anyone tried the SWFA ultralight scope? Says 9.5 oz.

[Stinky Coyote]

That's an awesome rifle! It is frustrating that you had to do all that work just to get to Howa's advertised weight. Thanks for building it!

Thank you!

And yeah, legacy sports needs new management from the top down, if you want a lesson in how to do it wrong the first time, second time, and third time...look no further lol

[tdbru]

SC,
that is a very interesting rig with that red dot. It never occurred to me about a forward mounted red dot. I am so used to scopes. what size is the red dot in the middle of the sight picture? 2MOA? How far do you think you could hit deer lungs with that red dot for an aiming point? 300 yards? Like I mentioned, always before I assumed scopes were for rifles and these red-dots were for pistols. For a bit more limited range, running a red dot over a scope would definitely lighten up the load !
well done SC
-tdbru

[biodsl]

Has anyone tried the SWFA ultralight scope? Says 9.5 oz.

I have one with the 5.56 BDC on 5.56. I agree with Harpoon1; the eye box is frustratingly tight on 10X prone or on a bench. Better standing. I think it's pretty good at 2.5X. Primary Arms new SLx 3x Prism with the Griffin mil reticle is the new hotness. 8 ounces and durable.

https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-3x-micro-prism-red-illuminated-acss-griffin-x-mil-reticle

[Stinky Coyote]

SC,
that is a very interesting rig with that red dot. It never occurred to me about a forward mounted red dot. I am so used to scopes. what size is the red dot in the middle of the sight picture? 2MOA? How far do you think you could hit deer lungs with that red dot for an aiming point? 300 yards? Like I mentioned, always before I assumed scopes were for rifles and these red-dots were for pistols. For a bit more limited range, running a red dot over a scope would definitely lighten up the load !
well done SC
-tdbru

We will find out. Technically the accuracy is there. There are guys who shoot irons to 1000 and hit 5" targets prone with slings, forget the name of the the competition so it's doable. And quick research into the AR military guys who shoot these and irons to 300m proficiency seems to be the consensus on the man size targets, some guys comfortable further and some with astigmatisms and not as good eyes and not small enough dots shorter. We hunters tend to be pretty fussy as coyotes always on the menu too. A buddy of mine is pumped to try irons for awhile and has a cz ranger edition 308 coming so we will be playing with irons and this red dot, mine is 2 moa dot, which I assume is calibrated to appear that size from a certain distance from eye for pistols holding, maybe mine is closer to eye and ends up appearing larger, until I can get it on paper at 100 with measures I can't comment further on that part but it will let me know how to use as a rangefinder so to speak, like if I cover the vitals of a deer I'll likely know it's past point blank hold sort of self limiter. If dot ends up 3 moa it will cover 6" at 200 and 9" at 300 so could work out pretty slick and work well with the trajectory/point blank range of the Grendel and be intuitive and deadly? Personally I'll be aiming for 100 yard proficiency offhand and 200 yard proficiency rested on sticks/bipod/pack or something other than freehand and I'll try to get good to 300 as well but really if I'm solid to mpbr of about 240 yards I'll be happy. My buddy will be asking more from his set up as he's accuracy obsessed and has his own range so he will likely double what my goals are. I have ruger/trijicon that shoots awesome to 500+ so I'm not going to try and get carried away with this one.

[Stinky Coyote]

Well, it may as well be able to handle some night protection duty if it's gonna be a handy little camp and bush rig.

Take off single slot aluminum rails, small wood screws, need to counter sink the rail to get the screw heads mostly flush so the qd light will mount. 5 minute epoxy them in. Added 1/2 oz. I believe the O-Light Baldr Mini is 2.5 oz additional but not really counting that as it just goes on optional at night time, off for hunting in daytime. Regular Harris bipods still go on no prob.

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[Stinky Coyote]

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will try to update after getting out on the gongs to see how we do with the dot, sort of turned into a fun gun short range project, the '2 moa' dot appears to be ~3.75 moa with that mounting location, closer to the eye than pistol holds which I'm sure that is where it appears 2moa by design for pistols, and that size is fine by me, I don't expect to be proficient much past point blank range rested anyway, will be happy with 200 yard proficiency, no reason we shouldn't be, shot just fine at 200 with 6x, the rest of the drops listed there just for range fun and maybe scare some coyotes, hopefully shoot it next weekend and report further about the configuration in actual use

also bumped the trigger pull up to 3 lb from 2 lb, little too touchy me thinks at 2 for a quick handling short range set up, shoot my rugers at 3 lb anyway and no issues being accurate to 500 yards with that

[Stinky Coyote]

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Well there we go, 206 yards with the 2 moa holosun 507c green dot which appears about 3.75 moa with that less than pistol eye relief. 201 yards corrected horizontal distance. Zero'd quick at 26 yards to be close, then first one at the 200 was on steel, never missed steel, walked then next couple in from there, let it cool, took a few more, let it cool, then a final zero check and 3 shot group. Ready to hunt. This is with hokey's hinged bottom kit. Everything with hornady black ammo which is around 2400 fps out of this 18.5" howa, about 100 rounds on barrel now.

I shot about the same size groups at 200 with the 6x36 leupold and 2 lb trigger earlier in year. Pictured below, with the cz bottom kit.

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Then took out my Ruger to confirm zero and promptly put it away after this.

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[kiwi shooter]

a friend's 223 its stock is a custom home-made stock made from foam with a thin layer of fiberglass.
the hole rifle including 4 rounds and the Leopold m8 4x and suppressor is 2.8kg or 6.1lb
here in nz you do a lot of miles on foot on some horrible terrain, so a lightweight rifle is something that kiwis love this one is nuts light though.
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[Stinky Coyote]

a friend's 223 its stock is a custom home-made stock made from foam with a thin layer of fiberglass.
the hole rifle including 4 rounds and the Leopold m8 4x and suppressor is 2.8kg or 6.1lb
here in nz you do a lot of miles on foot on some horrible terrain, so a lightweight rifle is something that kiwis love this one is nuts light though.
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nice to see another build, what's the suppressor weight or model? and barrel length? we can probably math out the bare rifle on that one pretty easy, his bottom end about 2.5 oz, looks like shortened factory mag, which starts life at 2.5 oz and 0.5 oz for the bottom plastic, rings 2 oz, scope 7.5 oz, and his stock would be interesting to know, was he able to get to 1 lb or less? the carbon stocky's 17-18 oz, mine was 18 oz, my rifle with those rings and leupold fx2 6x36 was 5 lb 6 oz or 2.4 kg, my bare rifle is 4 lb 10.5 oz or 2.1 kg, currently my rifle is wearing a holosun 507c green dot 2.5 oz on an extended 3 slot front rail 0.5 oz, a 1 oz shell holder and added a 1/2 oz single slot rail to underside tip of fore stock for light mount at 4 lb 15 oz or 2.2 kg and with 9 rounds of ammo in shell holder it's going down the trail at 2.39 kg, sure wish we could have suppressors here

[kiwi shooter]

nice to see another build, what's the suppressor weight or model? and barrel length? we can probably math out the bare rifle on that one pretty easy, his bottom end about 2.5 oz, looks like shortened factory mag, which starts life at 2.5 oz and 0.5 oz for the bottom plastic, rings 2 oz, scope 7.5 oz, and his stock would be interesting to know, was he able to get to 1 lb or less? the carbon stocky's 17-18 oz, mine was 18 oz, my rifle with those rings and leupold fx2 6x36 was 5 lb 6 oz or 2.4 kg, my bare rifle is 4 lb 10.5 oz or 2.1 kg, currently my rifle is wearing a holosun 507c green dot 2.5 oz on an extended 3 slot front rail 0.5 oz, a 1 oz shell holder and added a 1/2 oz single slot rail to underside tip of fore stock for light mount at 4 lb 15 oz or 2.2 kg and with 9 rounds of ammo in shell holder it's going down the trail at 2.39 kg, sure wish we could have suppressors here

2kg bare or 4.4lb

I'm not sure what everything else weighs but i know its total is 2.7kg not 2.8 oops

yep shortened factory mag to 4 rounds all you need in a hunting rifle

the suppressor is a hardy engineering made here in nz

rings are tally ultra lightweight

heres a link to his build

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f53/lightweight-223-project-84434/

[Stinky Coyote]

2kg bare or 4.4lb

I'm not sure what everything else weighs but i know its total is 2.7kg not 2.8 oops

yep shortened factory mag to 4 rounds all you need in a hunting rifle

the suppressor is a hardy engineering made here in nz

rings are tally ultra lightweight

heres a link to his build
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....project-84434/