Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4
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Last week the US Army announced it had down selected three companies to supply prototypes for their Next Generation Squad Weapon program - to provide the Army's next rifle (NGSW-R) and squad automatic weapon or automatic rifle (NGSW-AR). They have released the first photographs of the SIG NGSW prototype
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Very interesting, Stan. However, the description of the cartridge largely reads like the advertisement for any other ammo, lots of fluff and not much substance. I wonder how much is actually real and what they are hiding, LOL.Kill a hog. Save the planet.
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Originally posted by Double Naught Spy View PostVery interesting, Stan. However, the description of the cartridge largely reads like the advertisement for any other ammo, lots of fluff and not much substance.
Originally posted by Double Naught Spy View PostI wonder how much is actually real and what they are hiding, LOL.
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Textron NGSW Prototypes
NGSW-R
NGSW-AR (Note that Textron, like SIG Sauer, has opted to make a belt-fed machine gun, instead of a mag-fed automatic rifle.)
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I am surprised that none of the contenders used steel for the upper section of their cartridges. It is possible that Sig did work with Shell Shock behind the scenes, but one of the Shell Shocks important marketing points is the increased capacity from its steel walls. I read somewhere that the reason that we have not heard from Shell Shock for a while is that they decided to move their plant to another location and it has taken a while to get backup and running. It was poor timing if that is what caused them to miss out on this contract.
This TFB article has more pics:https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...squad-weapons/
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Originally posted by Double Naught Spy View PostVery interesting, Stan. However, the description of the cartridge largely reads like the advertisement for any other ammo, lots of fluff and not much substance. I wonder how much is actually real and what they are hiding, LOL.
There are at least 3 different approaches going on with 6.8 NGSW as mentioned in the down-select.
The new True Velocity cartridge configuration basically fits the form factor of 7.62 NATO, with with substantially reduced weight and substantially-increased working pressure pushing a .277" EPR. The bullets they're showing may or may not be the specified projectile that the Army "nailed down". The Army has changed the projectile weight and shape at least 3 times already.
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Looks like they might have driving bands on the projectiles, which will reduce barrel friction and heat.
If someone could scale the image with the bands = .277", you should be able to get a good estimate of COL and case width at the base and shoulder to see if it will fit existing 7.62 NATO mags.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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Originally posted by LRRPF52 View PostLooks like they might have driving bands on the projectiles, which will reduce barrel friction and heat.
If someone could scale the image with the bands = .277", you should be able to get a good estimate of COL and case width at the base and shoulder to see if it will fit existing 7.62 NATO mags.
edit: the casing measures pretty much straight wall."Down the floor, out the door, Go Brandon Go!!!!!"
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It's designed to fit within standard 7.62x51 COAL, so ~2.8 sounds right.
I think the whole concept is fundamentally flawed in terms of "stowed kills" — or whatever metric they're using these days. The fact that they keep changing metrics just tells me they don't know what they want. Not quite gonna say they don't know what they're doing, but I might....
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Originally posted by BluntForceTrauma View PostI think the whole concept is fundamentally flawed in terms of "stowed kills" ? or whatever metric they're using these days. The fact that they keep changing metrics just tells me they don't know what they want.
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