Bump Stock Ban

[LRRPF52]

The unelected bureaucracies have been creating laws ever since they were given power by Congress, while Congress seems fine letting agencies do so without any checks and balances.

With bumpstocks, it was a bureaucratic move away from ATF trends towards more restrictions.

In contrast, Binary Triggers are explicitly protected by ATF and NFA definitions, and are far more easy to use than bumpstocks could ever hope to be.

So in 2018, you can have a pistol-braced, Binary Triggered compact pistol that will outrun the cyclic rate of a full auto easily, not that you'll be hitting much.

[stanc]

Remember, Trump is disliked by most of the employees of the Federal agencies.
This is the so called "shadow government" working against Trump's effort to drain the swamp.

This is NOT the work of a "shadow government." This was done at Trump's direct order.
Here is what he said ten months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-DChrnr4Po

[montana]

The unelected bureaucracies have been creating laws ever since they were given power by Congress, while Congress seems fine letting agencies do so without any checks and balances.
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This is nothing more than a political move by Trump and the NRA to look reasonable to the gun ignorant masses. Perception and plausible deniability, "not reality" has always been the winning factor for retaining political power. Bureaucracies always follow those in charge of their funding, but they can also be the scapegoats if things go south or the political winds change. China uses N. Korea for the same purpose.

[LRRPF52]

I have yet to see any of the bureaucracies held accountable, even when they blatantly target political groups like the IRS did, allow millions of gallons of contaminated mineshaft water to be released like the EPA ordered in CO, or when the FBI participates in a palace coup attempt that seems to be ongoing.

In this case, it's a matter of the ATF giveth and the ATF taketh what little is left of the 2A when enough political pressure is put on them.

Meanwhile, like I said, you can have something far superior to a bumpstock if you want to hose rounds downrange without any funky external modification of the firearm.

[stanc]

In this case, it's a matter of the ATF giveth and the ATF taketh what little is left of the 2A when enough political pressure is put on them.

You devoted two posts to anti-bureaucracy rants. When are you going to place the blame for this ban where it truly belongs, on Donald Trump?

[rebby]

I have yet to see any of the bureaucracies held accountable, even when they blatantly target political groups like the IRS did, allow millions of gallons of contaminated mineshaft water to be released like the EPA ordered in CO, or when the FBI participates in a palace coup attempt that seems to be ongoing.

In this case, it's a matter of the ATF giveth and the ATF taketh what little is left of the 2A when enough political pressure is put on them.

Meanwhile, like I said, you can have something far superior to a bumpstock if you want to hose rounds downrange without any funky external modification of the firearm.

This, exactly. I’m so fed up with these asinine laws and regulations changing one day to the next that I’m just going to bite the bullet and get my Class II SOT endorsement to my 07 FFL and call it a day. Then, at the very least, I can personally do essentially whatever without fear of losing my license, my business, or my freedom. I can do it all legally as well. Of course I’ll continue to operate within the confines of my license but at least I won’t need to worry as much about the next “reclassification” sending me to prison due to a politician going off half cocked.

[montana]

I have yet to see any of the bureaucracies held accountable, even when they blatantly target political groups like the IRS did, allow millions of gallons of contaminated mineshaft water to be released like the EPA ordered in CO, or when the FBI participates in a palace coup attempt that seems to be ongoing.

In this case, it's a matter of the ATF giveth and the ATF taketh what little is left of the 2A when enough political pressure is put on them.

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Poor choice of words on my part, "my apologies". It is the "people" in the bureaucracies that can get thrown under the bus, not the actual bureaucracy. Even then it is done with much caution as not to start a snowball effect. Admiral James O. Richardson is a good example of such a fall guy, covering up for the real guilty parties. Bureaucracies are the enforcers for the political parties and true change will never occur until the majority understand this truth. I have never seen any leadership in a position of power, "willingly undermined that source of power" which are the bureaucracies.

[stanc]

Poor choice of words on my part, "my apologies". It is the "people" in the bureaucracies that can get thrown under the bus, not the actual bureaucracy. Even then it is done with much caution as not to start a snowball effect. Admiral James O. Richardson is a good example of such a fall guy, covering up for the real guilty parties. Bureaucracies are the enforcers for the political parties and true change will never occur until the majority understand this truth. I have never seen any leadership in a position of power, "willingly undermined that source of power" which are the bureaucracies.

Government and society cannot function without the bureaucracies. In any case, all the complaining about various bureaucratic misdeeds is off topic.

More importantly, none of you are discussing the elephant in the room. The ATF did not initiate this issue. It is Trump who is responsible for this ban.

"I signed a memorandum directing the Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns." ~ Donald Trump, 20 Feb 2018

"The President once again fulfilling a promise he made to the American people, and this morning the acting Attorney General signed the final rule making clear that bump stocks are illegal." ~ Sarah Sanders, 18 Dec 2018

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[Double Naught Spy]

What is the point in passing a law that the people will not comply with?

People don't comply with all laws.

[montana]

Government and society cannot function without the bureaucracies. In any case, all the complaining about various bureaucratic misdeeds is off topic.

More importantly, none of you are discussing the elephant in the room. The ATF did not initiate this issue. It is Trump who is responsible for this ban.

"I signed a memorandum directing the Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns." ~ Donald Trump, 20 Feb 2018

"The President once again fulfilling a promise he made to the American people, and this morning the acting Attorney General signed the final rule making clear that bump stocks are illegal." ~ Sarah Sanders, 18 Dec 2018

Not so much of an elephant in the room as the same old song being played by a different band. Like I stated in my other post, the bump stock ban was a political move by the NRA and president Trump. The ATF is doing Trumps bidding as the ATF did Obama's bidding during the criminal gun runner fiasco. Bureaucracies will always do the bidding of their masters, even if it circumvents the law and, goes beyond their authority while committing serious crimes such as the Ruby Ridge and Waco fiascos. How many bureaucrats were jailed or personally held accountable for that gross misuse of force and murder?? Heck, it was the tax payers who had to pay off the surviving Weaver family members while the perps were promoted and given awards. The system makes it all most impossible to hold the high level bureaucrats personally liable for any high crimes and misdemeanors when compared to Joe six pack. That is, until it is politically convenient. How many bureaucrats went to jail for the gun runner fiasco?? At the end of the day, it is the elected officials who are responsible for the actions and powers entrusted to all bureaucrats. If all else fails, the citizens were given an ace up the sleeve, the 2ndA, but that is another argument.

[Sticks]

... If all else fails, the citizens were given an ace up the sleeve, the 2ndA, but that is another argument.

Well, if you are going to infer card play analogies, remember, The House Always Wins, and look what The House does to cheaters that get caught.

[LR1955]

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Stan:

Let me make this extremely clear to you.

This forum isn't a podium for you to express your obsessive hatred for Trump. We know he proposed a ban on bump stocks so you don't have to tell us repeatedly. And you won't somehow turn us into leftists who will vote for a Communist or Socialist that will ban and confiscate all of our guns if they get power just because Trump proposed a bump stock ban.

And please, don't come back and say you were only advising us where to go to complain about the bump stock ban. We are not liberals or leftists. We have brains and if we want to complain about the bump stock ban, we know the process.

Take it somewhere else.

LR55

[LR1955]

OK Guys:

I have a question.

Why would a ban on bump stocks be a threat to the 2A? Please -- the 'slippery slope' argument is not an answer.

LR55

[Sticks]

Worded correctly (I have not read it, but was an area of concern), it could then be used as a precedent to continue/add to it.

I.E. - Any feature that increases the rate of fire/cyclic rate of a semi automatic firearm shall be included in this ban.

Binary triggers, rotary triggers, your freakin' finger if you have skill.

Who decides what "Rate of Fire" or "Cyclic Rate" actually is? Does some desk jockey that has never fired a gun, decide that the cyclic rate of a firearm shall not exceed 1 round fired every 2 seconds, because that is what a bolt action, pump action, lever action, break action, muzzle loader averages out to when they watch TV and you tube of what they feel is non offensive or excessively violent?

Will this then turn into a blanket "All semi automatic firearms shall be manufactured to not exceed the established cyclic rate"