LFP Comment Thread

[rickOshay]

Hi Greyfox - those have already been done. See post #14 on the Summary thread.

It’s #13 in the group photo.

[CavityBackBullets]

I'm up at 4 AM so... I re-read this thread and want to make a couple of observations.

1. CBB (Robert) is making an LFP for Grendel and Rick asked for comments/input as original design of this thread so it's fine CBB adds his inputs. Yes he's the owner and is pushing his product but it's legit to talk about and what? we should expect him to promote somebody else's?
2. I re-read his comment that brought out the "social banter" - "...It stays sub .7 MOA to 1000 yards as tested by PredatorDown at supersonic speeds." If we read what I think he intended to say, it is simply that one shooter did get 0.7 moa with those bullets, a statement of fact... it is not necessary to infer that everyone would do the same, which is what Klem seems to (correctly) be saying. Still it may have been better for CBB to say more clearly... "It can stay sub .7 MOA to 1000 yards as tested by PredatorDown at supersonic speeds, of course YMMV. Robert maybe this is more like what you meant, I'm trying to give you at least the benefit of the doubt...?

If so we can get back to OP's intent of discussing LFP's in all their glory...
and ps, I said I'm not a fan of them but if it comes down to needing one for hunting at some distance, I guess I might try CBB's or even Barnes although for now the Lehigh is working fine for me in 2 of my Grendels at distances at which I think I can hit stuff.

To quote myself:
"Many of our projectiles have the capability to stay sub .7 MOA to 1000 yards. Of course provided the shooter and their equipment are up to the task."

Now if someone wants to twist that into more than what it is they can have at it.
I at no time said they turn any gun into a .7 MOA at 1000 yard shooter no matter who is behind the trigger.

[JASmith]

Klem makes excellent points.

The way one responds to challenges defines his credibility.

Taking umbrage when challenged diminishes one’s credibility even though the challenge was either a mistatement or a deliberate ploy to inflame.

NOW, make no mistake, it is the rare person who doesn’t fall into the umbrage trap. I am not one of those, so relax and take more time to think through responses. I have on occasion, and when I still have my wits about me, draft a response, sleep on it, edit again, and only then post. Sometimes the response goes into the trash bin.

Now there are one or two folks who will get a chuckle from this because I am not particularly known for my hesitance to call out BS. I would have been banned long ago had I not learned to take a bit more time when responding.

[rickOshay]

Thanks CBB - I think you, Klem, and Grayfox are in violent agreement. You may find a bit of hyper-sensitivity on here toward manufacturers and perceived claims. I hope we can continue to have open dialog without offense. I am really happy that we have manufacturers on this Board. Wish we had more. But I think you’ve found that there is a lot of experience here - and they read every word.

[grayfox]

Sorry RoS I missed that #14... so thanks!
And I too think underneath it all, everyone is in agreement. Can't really speak for Klem but at end of the day I think it's there... personalities aside for the moment.

I've got definite opinions but also willing to look at options if the need arises... Klem has been there for many of us, so what I think is best at this point is, let the LFP continue and we'll all benefit from robust but polite discussions. As far as I can tell, no harm was intended from any quarter. Frank yes, but not intended to be disparaging.
Naturally as an economically-minded consumer, CBB please let me know if your bullets ever go on sale...maybe there'd be a deal there I can't refuse!!!

[A5BLASTER]

Rick0shay you out there sir.

Got any more data for us?

I'm working with the Maker 85 grain Trex right now, think it's going to be just the ticket for 300 or less on hogs and deer.

[rickOshay]

Double Naught Spy kindly provided me with a copy of his photo of the 95gr Controlled Chaos recovered from the hog in his lates video. I've added it to the summary post. LRRPF52 provided the ammo, so I'm hoping he can provide some velocity info to complete the story.

Others have also been reporting poor hunting performance of this brass LFP.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?13324-Lead-Free-Projectiles-for-the-6-5-Grendel&p=146394#post146394

[A5BLASTER]

Double Naught Spy kindly provided me with a copy of his photo of the 95gr Controlled Chaos recovered from the hog in his lates video. I've added it to the summary post. LRRPF52 provided the ammo, so I'm hoping he can provide some velocity info to complete the story.

Others have also been reporting poor hunting performance of this brass LFP.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...394#post146394

Sounds good can't wait for the updates.

I been trying to get confirmed specs on the 120,130 and 140 trex bullets, but the company owner is hard to get a hold of.

Want to see what their lengths and bc level is at and see if they are worth trying in my 20 inch.

Love the 85 grain trex and the low expansion level on his bullets. If his 130 and 140 grainers have the same lower expansion limit and good bc it could make for a very good 400 to 600 yard game bullet.

[hill37]

Everyone is a_ _hole at times. It's called being human. That said, I'm glad CCB and others are in the Grendel game. I wish there were more Cup and Core bullet makers making Grendel bullets.

[rickOshay]

The results of HuntTXHogs have been added to the LFP Summary thread. Thanks!

This LFP is an excellent choice for coyote and hogs, and is performed as advertised - low threshold for opening and holding together at 2700fp impacts.

[rickOshay]

Fort Scott Munitions 120gr SCP LFPs added to the collection. Awaiting gel work.

LFP Thread

[rickOshay]

I have added manufacturer's load data for the 100gr Barnes, 110gr Lehigh, and 120gr Barnes in the LFP Summary thread. These data should give good starting points for a variety of similar weighted LFPs.

I have also rearranged the thread to make room for the Barnes 115gr TAC-TX, when it comes available. I'll update the group photo at that time also to include the 100 TAC-TX and the two from Fort Scott Munitions.

[tdbru]

thanks RickOshay!
-tdbru

[rickOshay]

I've added the Barnes 100gr Tipped TAC-TX to the Tipped TSX post. I'm treating them the same until I can shoot the TAC-TX into a gel.

Sorry that my photography system has changed over the past 3 years, and the pictures are a different color now.. I will try to reproduce the color of the old pics. I've been a photographer since a teenager, but just now learning Photoshop.

[rickOshay]

Nosler E-Tip load data added.