In 3-Gun competition I loved our AUGs—until the courses of fire were aimed (pun intended) to unseat AUGs from the top rungs by forcing weak-side positions. Of course that underscores how the weak-side is its Achilles heel in the "real world" (whatever that is). That utilitarian recognition prompted me to sell 'em off.
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Biggest issue with other Bullpup designs is that when in the prone while taking cover ( if you even have cover) changing mags sucks if it takes two hands just to remove the magazine. With a single hand magazine release using either firing hand on a true ambi design, it allows you to drop the mag while you secure the fresh mag with your other hand. A cumbersome reload process often involves scooping up dirt with the fresh mag, which will shut your gun down, no matter what the design is.
Imagine your arms in the dirt, moving back and forth trying to manage insertion of a critical feed device while projectiles are zipping over your head.
For shooting with your non-dominant side, any time you need to hi-low on a RH corner, the way to expose the least amount of yourself is by holding with a left hand grip.
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Originally posted by Nukes View PostIn 3-Gun competition I loved our AUGs—until the courses of fire were aimed (pun intended) to unseat AUGs from the top rungs by forcing weak-side positions. Of course that underscores how the weak-side is its Achilles heel in the "real world" (whatever that is). That utilitarian recognition prompted me to sell 'em off.
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Dang! A working solution. Hmmmm.... I have a hankering to visit the gun store.
P.S. When you said "Just don't stick your tongue out," I was worried that it was going to be a Miley Cyrus Shoots AUG Left-handed video. Very relieved to find otherwise.Last edited by Guest; 01-17-2014, 11:24 PM.
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As best I can tell, the only "real world" situation where weak-side shooting actually matters is competition. This seems to be like speed reloading -- immensely valuable in matches, but rarely practiced on the battlefield.
In the multitude of combat videos I've watched on YouTube, there was only one instance of a soldier switching his carbine to the left shoulder for firing around the corner of a building. In all other instances, the troops continued to shoot around corners from the right shoulder even though it meant exposing more of their bodies.
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Originally posted by LRRPF52 View PostBiggest issue with other Bullpup designs is that when in the prone while taking cover ( if you even have cover) changing mags sucks if it takes two hands just to remove the magazine. With a single hand magazine release using either firing hand on a true ambi design, it allows you to drop the mag while you secure the fresh mag with your other hand. A cumbersome reload process often involves scooping up dirt with the fresh mag, which will shut your gun down, no matter what the design is.
Imagine your arms in the dirt, moving back and forth trying to manage insertion of a critical feed device while projectiles are zipping over your head.
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Originally posted by Nukes View PostDang! A working solution. Hmmmm.... I have a hankering to visit the gun store.
P.S. When you said "Just don't stick your tongue out," I was worried that it was going to be a Miley Cyrus Shoots AUG Left-handed video. Very relieved to find otherwise.
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As best I can tell, the only "real world" situation where weak-side shooting actually matters is competition. This seems to be like speed reloading -- immensely valuable in matches, but rarely practiced on the battlefield.
In the multitude of combat videos I've watched on YouTube, there was only one instance of a soldier switching his carbine to the left shoulder for firing around the corner of a building. In all other instances, the troops continued to shoot around corners from the right shoulder even though it meant exposing more of their bodies.
I've trained with both techniques, so I have both tools in the box.
I think you're greatly overstating the issue. I've watched videos of Aussie, Brit, and other bullpup-armed soldiers doing combat mag changes in the prone position, but don't recall any showing such problems as you describe.
The point is that it is easier if you can drop the mag with your firing hand as you reach for the fresh mag. You're going to get it done with the weapon you have, but any added advantage helps.
I have drafted out some bullpup designs over the years, and they all have magazine change and bolt catch features that can be operated by the firing hand while holding the pistol grip. The biggest area that always proved problematic for me was ejection. DTA seems to have found a very promising solution to that, that is rather simple.
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Originally posted by cory View PostGreat info. I don't have any experience with bullpup, but I believe some use electrical systems in their triggers, correct? . . .
Correct! Though rare, electronically-actuated trigger-to-sear systems for Bullpup rifles, a viable alternative to mechanically-actuated systems --- at least, in some sport/target applications --- in fact, do exist
And, on this non-autoloading design, a consistent one-and-one-half-ounce trigger pull --- sweet ecstacy!
http://tinypic.com/r/16ht4z6/5
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Originally posted by Bigfoot View PostPaintball guns use battery powered trigger/sears. Some with rocking triggers for legal full auto rate of fire.
That was our dirty little secret until you let the cat out the bag."Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin
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Mea culpa..
KelTec released info on their new bullpups. Looks to me like the first bullpups like the AUG set the pattern of 14-15" LOPs and everbody is following it. KelTec did it too by using bottom ejection behind the mag. Sheesh.
No word on the 65G chambering. http://www.thektog.org/entries/Confi...43-Rifles.html
They could've had a winner. I have a SU-16 w the 20" barrel and if I ever finish this bullpup shell it will have a 13.5" LOP including a 1/2" recoil pad. The barrel screws out and headspaces on a lock nut like a Savage rifle so it can be rebarreled in 65G. I know of one that went to 6.8.
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Originally posted by cory View PostI'm excited to see the Grendel offered in the MDR. It looks like this could be the answer to the need for an AR12 for the Grendel. That is if they utilize the .308 components for the Grendel.
Taking advantage of the 2.850"-long magazine and beefy (read: Bolt Gun) .308 Breech --- and given the short 16"-barrel length --- what muzzle velocities can we expect from the following 6.5mm cartridges, loaded with 139-grain to 140-grain projectiles:
6.5mm Grendel - 2500 fps (approximate extrapolated velocity based on the 2650 - 2700 fps with the 139-grain Lapua Scenar from a 6.5 Grendel CZ527 bolt-action rifle, with a 22" barrel);
6.5x45mm - ?
6.5x47mm Lapua - ?
6.5mm Creedmoor - 2578 fps ("139-grain Lapua Scenar" Short Barrel 6.5mm Rifle http://www.sincityprecision.com/?p=1503);
.260 Remington - 2575 fps (approximate, based on the "2558 fps, with 140-grain Hornady, from a 16"-barreled Ruger Compact in .260 Remington" http://www.shootersforum.com/ballist...allistics.html NOTE: See Reply #7).
In short: what 6.5mm cartridge works best, in a 16"-barreled AR12?
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Originally posted by WildBill3/75 View PostTakes standard 5.56 mags and sr25 308 mags
Calibers; .223rem 300blk 6.8spc 7.62x39 308win
pricing MDR=C .223 $2157
MDR .308 $2450
308 - 44.4%
223/5.56 - 16.7%
300 Blackout - 5.6%
7.62x39 - 8.3%
6.8 SPC - 0%
6.5 Grendel - 19.4%
260 - 2.8%
Other - 2.8%
Combined with its other attributes, I believe the 6.5 Grendel would garner more votes, if the lower-cost 6.5 Grendel Steel Case ammo was already available.
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