Originally posted by bwaites
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New Marine Corps weapon to replace SAW
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"You will know you are in a nuclear attack by the bright flash, loud explosion, widespread destruction, intense heat, strong winds and the rising of a mushroom cloud".
"I have no idea what weapons will be used in the next world war... but I do know that world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones". A Einstein.
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Originally posted by hm2 clark View PostHearts and minds? Even my 15 y/o daughter knows that when you grab them by their balls, their hearts and minds will follow!
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Originally posted by LRRPF52 View PostThey will actually love you in the third wolrd when you brutalize a few miscreants in front of everyone else. They are always yearning for Alpha males to crack skulls and regulate the herd-totally different mindset than America.
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Back on blasters. I recently had the opportunity to blast away with a 16" HK416, and it handled totally different than the 10" HK416. It wasn't too bad, actually. Recoil impulse is still different than a DI gun, but it was much smoother, at least with the ammo I was shooting. I was able to keep a magazine of ammo within a 4" circle as fast as I could pull the trigger at 7m, standing.
I still prefer the recoil impulse of the DI AR15, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings too much if the longer-barrel 416 was all I had to choose from. Because of magazine limitations, it still is an inappropriate choice for an Auto Rifleman weapon.
I also had a chance to blast away with a Surefire 60rd mag, and it malf'd the 1st time I have shot with one. Here's my shocked face.....
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LRRPF52 - sorry you had that experience w/ the surefire mag. I was given the opportunity to test some a while back - pulled 4 out of a box (shipped to buddy at CLNC for evaluation), loaded them up with a variety of ammo (x2, first mag let set overnight, MilSpec 5.56, tracer, Bear and foreign mil surplus, total 480rds fired) and had no issues w/ exception of the bolt not locking to the rear on two of the magazines when empty. My spin? Not as good as P-Mags, but as good as majority of USGI mags I have been issued.I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
- Voltaire
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Having read a few reviews of the Surefire 60rd mag, I noticed other shooters saying they have experienced malfs as well, including the ill-fated "nose-dive" malf. When that happens, you're totally screwed. There is also video of a guy in competition blasting away from stage-to-stage, until his SF60 mag craps the bed on him. He attempts to correct the malf, and it only gets worse, so he literally tosses it over his shoulder and goes to a standard magazine.
Here's another:
My scepticism of any "coffin" or quad-stack magazine is based on the experiences the Finns had with them in the Konepistooli Kp31 SMG. Basically, they were banned from use on the war front due to their propensity for having FTFeed issues.
Magpul has also submitted patents for a quad-stack magazine, but I have not seen it yet on the market. US Palm has them for the AK, and I saw them at SHOT, but have yet to test them. They claimed theirs works, so we'll see.
As for me, I would personally choose not to use such a mag if my life or competitive rating depended on it. I love Surefire products, but I believe this one is a potential for major heartache if issued to soldiers. I really wish they would work like other mags do. My position is solidified by the fact the one and only time I have shot the SF60, it had a FTFeed malf.
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Originally posted by stanc View Post
Am I reading this wrong????
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Marine Corps usually gives two ranges for weapons.
Max Effective Range= how far you can engage target
Max Range= how far the bullet will travel
example for an M16A2
Max effective= 800 meters
Max range= 3534 metersLast edited by alicea8541; 06-03-2016, 04:17 AM.JADE Precision, LLC
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Originally posted by stanc View PostI'd say it's not really stupid, but is instead an example of equipping to fight the last war.
The IAR actually makes a lot of sense for the requirements of urban combat that Marines encountered in Iraq:
However, the IAR is a poor choice to provide sustained, supporting fires needed for the long range fights in Afghanistan:
a belt fed LMG would be better -- what about that kinght light weight LMG in 6.5 grendel??--lol
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An old thread but i want to add something. The adoption of a magazine fed infantry automatic weapon to replace belt fed light machine guns (SAWs) opens the way up for ht 6.5 Grendel. One of the problems of the 6.5 gr is that it is very difficult to adapt to metal linked ammo. Saudi Arabia actually considered the 6.5 gr but dropped the issue after it was determined that it was out of the question for belt fed SAWs.
Now, with the Marines adopting the M27, this all needs to be reconsidered.
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